OutByEaster? Posted February 10, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 hours ago, BOF said: Yeah it's that they've basically just put their livery on the FIA demo car. Well at least they took the time to show us this radical departure from their traditional livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BOF Posted February 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 19 hours ago, Genie said: You’re right, Red Bull / Wheatley should be held to account for telling Masi to break the rules. Then of course, Masi should be fired for his part in the farce. The last lap should be struck from the records. It’ll didn’t restart legally so it should be ignored. That’s not me backing Lewis because tbh he’s a prick. It’s such a shame a great season ended that way. I don't get this tbh. The problem is not that Red Bull said what they said. Teams will always look to get themselves an advantage. The problem is they had the facility/route of communication to even make the request in the first place. By giving the teams the ability to talk directly to the race official, what do they expect is going to happen? Of course they'll try and plead their own case. "Here Michael, any chance of an advantage?" should be met with a firm no. In that situation, which is hopefully fixed for 2022, Masi should have had the wherewithal to tell Wheatley what the rules were and that Wheatley was incorrect and his suggestion would not be how it plays out. As it is, Red Bull probably had a fair idea Masi was weak and manipulatable and they played him like a fiddle. The fact he didn't know the safety car rules is another, ahem, red flag (badum tss). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 It's pointless and Horner has even admitted the car won't look a lot like what they launched, but for completeness sake I'll post them here so I can keep the OP updated. The "RB18" but not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted February 10, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2022 Worth a try Quote Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner has won a tour of rivals Mercedes’ Formula 1factory after bidding in a charity auction. The 48-year-old was attending the annual Autosport Awards event at the Grosvenor Hotel in Central London, where a charity auction including physical items and motorsport experiences raised £46,752 for good causes. His £4,000 offer was enough to secure the chance to take a guided visit around the Brackley headquarters of Mercedes, whose cars have won the past eight consecutive F1 constructors’ championships. Horner seems to have fallen foul of the terms and conditions, though, which state: ‘Please note that employees of other Formula 1 teams are not eligible to take this tour.’ Mercedes anticipated his ploy, clearly. Metro 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 33 minutes ago, BOF said: I don't get this tbh. The problem is not that Red Bull said what they said. Teams will always look to get themselves an advantage. The problem is they had the facility/route of communication to even make the request in the first place. By giving the teams the ability to talk directly to the race official, what do they expect is going to happen? Of course they'll try and plead their own case. "Here Michael, any chance of an advantage?" should be met with a firm no. In that situation, which is hopefully fixed for 2022, Masi should have had the wherewithal to tell Wheatley what the rules were and that Wheatley was incorrect and his suggestion would not be how it plays out. As it is, Red Bull probably had a fair idea Masi was weak and manipulatable and they played him like a fiddle. The fact he didn't know the safety car rules is another, ahem, red flag (badum tss). I disagree on the first point, asking the officials to cheat is not fair game because you can. They need to be investigated for that. I agree the direct line should be blocked off, but I can see why it exists in the first place (to appear transparent and speed up and confusing matters). I disagree on the final point, I can’t believe that Masi didn’t know the rules. He crumbled under the pressure that they needed to finish the season racing. If it is the fact he didn’t know the rules then he should be easily fired but I think he was worried finishing behind the safety car would cause controversy (what a mistake that was!). I listened on the radio as was driving back from a football match. They immediately summed it up. Firstly, Lewis is champion, they will run out of laps. Then quickly, maybe if they red flag they’ll be able to race for 3/4 laps after clearing the mess. Masi was caught like a rabbit between the headlights. Did nothing, and ruined the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Worth a try Metro That may be the first thing I have ever heard about Horner that makes me think he may not be a complete dick. He must have known that they were never going to let him in, so all he has really done is make a decent size donation to charity for nothing in return, other than making a bit of a joke. Not much of a redemption, as he is now, in my eyes only 99% dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Straggler said: That may be the first thing I have ever heard about Horner that makes me think he may not be a complete dick. He must have known that they were never going to let him in, so all he has really done is make a decent size donation to charity for nothing in return, other than making a bit of a joke. Not much of a redemption, as he is now, in my eyes only 99% dick. A story I heard about him allegedly leaving his ex and new born baby to shack up with Geri Halliwell won’t do much to alter your opinion of him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Genie said: A story I heard about him allegedly leaving his ex and new born baby to shack up with Geri Halliwell won’t do much to alter your opinion of him Well, back up to 100%. That did not take long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Genie said: I disagree on the first point, asking the officials to cheat is not fair game because you can. They need to be investigated for that. I agree the direct line should be blocked off, but I can see why it exists in the first place (to appear transparent and speed up and confusing matters). I disagree on the final point, I can’t believe that Masi didn’t know the rules. He crumbled under the pressure that they needed to finish the season racing. If it is the fact he didn’t know the rules then he should be easily fired but I think he was worried finishing behind the safety car would cause controversy (what a mistake that was!). I listened on the radio as was driving back from a football match. They immediately summed it up. Firstly, Lewis is champion, they will run out of laps. Then quickly, maybe if they red flag they’ll be able to race for 3/4 laps after clearing the mess. Masi was caught like a rabbit between the headlights. Did nothing, and ruined the season. Yeah we do disagree here. I don't think what Wheatley asked constituted literal cheating. I think they were trying to get the best set of conditions that they could out of Masi and he gave it to them. Also, we can only speculate as to how au fait Masi was with the rules, but based on his actions, he didn't know them well enough to immediately refuse Wheatley's request, so I can only conclude that he did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 Stop press. Aston Martin will be launching an actual literal physical real car this afternoon. ZOMG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted February 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) Cor blimey. Obviously some weird details there, presumably to hide various bits and pieces, but it looks pretty pretty smart smart to me. Edit - except for that awful JCB logo Edited February 10, 2022 by Lichfield Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 That is a good looking car. That shade of green should be better on camera too. They were very similar to Merc last year at some tracks with the BRG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 10, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 10, 2022 Aston Martin AMR22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 That Aston is the best looking one so far. Really nice. Although when you start with the Haas the only way is up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichfield Dean Posted February 10, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted February 10, 2022 The big wheels, the stance, the swooping lines... Just looks so much better than the horrors of the last few years with those awful noses and the overly intricate aero everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Massi was weak and unprofessional. Never happened under Charlie Whiting and never would. Horner or anyone would not have spoken to Whiting like they spoke to Massi, cause they wouldn't have got away with it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farlz Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 That Aston Martin is Doubt we'll see a better livery than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2022 That third picture of the (gorgeous) Aston Martin really shows how different these cars are. I'm hoping we get a real surprise early in the season, someone like McLaren or Aston Martin taking pole at the first race or similar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted February 11, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Im hoping we get a real surprise early in the season, someone like McLaren or Aston Martin taking pole at the first race or similar. Wouldn't surprise me at all. In fact if it all stays as it was last season I'll be f**king disgusted At the very least I'm hoping Ferrari hit the ground running, as they're the one most likely from outside the top 2 to be able to mount and then maintain a title challenge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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