PaulC Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Ings and Watkins isnt working but theres nothing wrong with formation as it is with Buendia providing the creativity. we have beaten the teams we should beat and lost to the teams we should loose to under Gerrard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillanousOne Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, PaulC said: Ings and Watkins isnt working but theres nothing wrong with formation as it is with Buendia providing the creativity. we have beaten the teams we should beat and lost to the teams we should loose to under Gerrard. Excellent. Close the thread, we can all go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 On paper, Bailey, Ings, Watkins, Buendia and Traore (with others like AEG/Bidace, Chuka etc) competing for the front 3 (3, 1-2, 2-1 or whatever), is a very very good bunch of players. Now, its partly clear what some issues are, injuries and fitness, other issues seem to be around individual form etc, but regardless of these things the "quality" is there mostly, i think one addition to that bunch of players would make it a rather nasty front 3 potentially. I think some probs is also familiarity, Bailey is always injured currently so isnt used to playing with anyone, Watkins and Ings havent played all of the time or have been injured meaning no consistency there (i dont mean as a duo, i just mean in the first team with the new signings), Buendia is carrying an injury, has been injured and unfit quite a bit and hasnt been able to build a rapport, Traore has also been permanently injured, same problem there. I agree we appear to have issues, i also think there are many valid reasons for those issues, but i also think one addition to the above mentioned would be beneficial. For me, Jan will need to be for full backs and maybe a DM signing, if we try to buy anyone, the forward line can wait till the summer imo. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) . Edited December 27, 2021 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 1 hour ago, MaVilla said: . Good point 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, MaVilla said: On paper, Bailey, Ings, Watkins, Buendia and Traore (with others like AEG/Bidace, Chuka etc) competing for the front 3 (3, 1-2, 2-1 or whatever), is a very very good bunch of players. Now, its partly clear what some issues are, injuries and fitness, other issues seem to be around individual form etc, but regardless of these things the "quality" is there mostly, i think one addition to that bunch of players would make it a rather nasty front 3 potentially. I think some probs is also familiarity, Bailey is always injured currently so isnt used to playing with anyone, Watkins and Ings havent played all of the time or have been injured meaning no consistency there (i dont mean as a duo, i just mean in the first team with the new signings), Buendia is carrying an injury, has been injured and unfit quite a bit and hasnt been able to build a rapport, Traore has also been permanently injured, same problem there. I agree we appear to have issues, i also think there are many valid reasons for those issues, but i also think one addition to the above mentioned would be beneficial. For me, Jan will need to be for full backs and maybe a DM signing, if we try to buy anyone, the forward line can wait till the summer imo. Completely agree apart from the last line. It all depends who is available, if availability for quality I always believe you should try for it. We obviously, like you say, have focuses but should look at anything that might come up. Edited December 27, 2021 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 We need goals in the front 3, therefore we need to pay El Ghazi. He doesn't work as hard as the others but he's not afraid to take a shot on. Our front 3 looks so blunt - we need someone to come i and shake it up. I think for the upcoming games we should be trying this: --------Buendia(Traore)------------El Ghazi (JPB)------ -------------------------Watkins(Ings) Then integrate Bailey when he's fit. Traore and Trez will be off soon for AFCON. We should never, ever, ever play McGinn in a front 3 as a 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir_gary_cahill Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 For me, our best front 3 would be: Buendia Watkins Bailey We haven’t seen enough of Bailey to know what he’s really capable of but he has shown promise in his limited appearances. He looks great on YouTube (I know it doesn’t mean much), he’s quick and explosive. He just needs a run of games in his natural position and I think he will be a great asset. Buendia looked fabulous in pre-season, he was threading through balls for Watkins and Watkins was thriving off his service. I think he can go on to be a great player for this club Watkins was brilliant for us last season, it was his debut season in the Premier League. He was always going to find it tougher going in his second season in the Premier League, it often happens If we played this front 3, we’d have great options in reserve like Ings, Traore, El Ghazi to name but a few. It’s a squad game these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Ings with Buendia and Traore behind him for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted December 29, 2021 Moderator Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 27/12/2021 at 19:17, PaulC said: We have beaten the teams we should beat and lost to the teams we should loose to under Gerrard. Three of the four teams we've beaten are above us in the table. I think "we've beaten the team we should beat" sells it short - the only team we've played that we absolutely should beat is Norwich. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Three of the four teams we've beaten are above us in the table. I think "we've beaten the team we should beat" sells it short - the only team we've played that we absolutely should beat is Norwich. tbh, for the 7 games Gerrard has been manager, if you had offered me 4 wins, 3 losses from the teams we were due to play, i would have absolutely bitten your hand off. I honestly think 4 wins/3 losses from that run was much more than could have been reasonably expected (especially considering our form for the season up to that point). Edited December 29, 2021 by MaVilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Three of the four teams we've beaten are above us in the table. I think "we've beaten the team we should beat" sells it short - the only team we've played that we absolutely should beat is Norwich. I’ve heard I wish we could be more like Brighton, Leicester have shown what’s possible and Palace look great under Viera. Yet we beat all three. Some fans are impossible to please. It’s as simple as that. Edited December 29, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made In Aston Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I'd go with Buendia Watkins and Ramsey for now until Bert is fully back then drop Ramsey to the bench or midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) With Watkins, Ings, Buendia, Traore, Bailey & Carney we've plenty of talent there for Gerrard to work with. Then you think about JPB and Archer too. Attacking play is always the last to be seen on the pitch. I wouldn't expect us to be attacking they way Gerrard wants us to until some time next season Edited December 30, 2021 by CVByrne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 On 27/12/2021 at 22:16, nick76 said: Good point was he starting morse code? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I’ve heard I wish we could be more like Brighton, Leicester have shown what’s possible and Palace look great under Viera. Yet we beat all three. Some fans are impossible to please. It’s as simple as that. Thats a bit disengenuous......Personally, I was just picking out some things they do well, against top opposition. Whats wrong with learning what others do well and adding it to our game?.....Thats what improvement is. I don't want us to be like Brighton or Brentford, but it would be amiss, if I didn't notice some things they do well against the top opposition and mention them. Just like we had a very good first half, apart from a possibly avoidable error. Its not about being impossible to please....its more about discussing and illustrating ways we could do better....aside from what we do well. Edited December 30, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TRO said: Thats a bit disengenuous......Personally, I was just picking out some things they do well, against top opposition. Whats wrong with learning what others do well and adding it to our game?.....Thats what improvement is. I don't want us to be like Brighton or Brentford, but it would be amiss, if I didn't notice some things they do well against the top opposition and mention them. Just like we had a very good first half, apart from a possibly avoidable error. Its not about being impossible to please....its more about discussing and illustrating ways we could do better....aside from what we do well. It wasn’t directed at you mate. Nor was it about the Chelsea game. I saw posts earlier on in the season suggesting they wish we played like Brighton. Where in reality the Brighton way of play whilst may be nice on the eye doesn’t return many good results. It’s very defensive. I think the point I was making at the time was we have recently beaten teams people compare us against. Whilst it’s nice to get a result against an out of form Chelsea. I’ll be a lot more disappointed if we don’t beat both Brentford and Brighton next year. edit: the post you just responded to was before the Brighton Chelsea game. Edited December 30, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 20 hours ago, Made In Aston said: I'd go with Buendia Watkins and Ramsey for now until Bert is fully back then drop Ramsey to the bench or midfield. Ramsey for me, is a definate starter. far more consistency and a more rounded player, than Bert......different positions, I know.....but Ramsey, is the future for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: It wasn’t directed at you mate. Nor was it about the Chelsea game. I saw posts earlier on in the season suggesting they wish we played like Brighton. Where in reality the Brighton way of play whilst may be nice on the eye doesn’t return many good results. It’s very defensive. I think the point I was making at the time was we have recently beaten teams people compare us against. Whilst it’s nice to get a result against an out of form Chelsea. I’ll be a lot more disappointed if we don’t beat both Brentford and Brighton next year. edit: the post you just responded to was before the Brighton Chelsea game. sorry VLV, Barking up the wrong tree. However, I do have a habit of accepting all what we do well, and seeing what other teams do better than us. Its no slight on Villa, I just want to see us improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A'Villan Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) Traore - Watkins - Buendia Or Traore - Ings - Watkins Edited January 1, 2022 by A'Villan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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