maqroll Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Growing fears that Bosnia is on the verge of breaking apart. Predictable and sad if it happens. Plenty of hard line paramilitary nutters waiting to have another go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StefanAVFC Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Of course it’s the Serbs again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, StefanAVFC said: Of course it’s the Serbs again. Yep. And this time they'll have full Russian support along with Belgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villakram Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Bosnia is the Balkans. American geography strikes again... or perhaps you've been reading some of the excellent WWI books released in recent years and become a little over enthusiastic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 It’s an absolute bastard of a situation, the locals seem to have genuine worries of violent conflict resurfacing, and it’s very hard not to put the blame on Milorad Dodik and Serb nationalism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) I visited Sarajevo a few years back , the Eastern part of Sarajevo is within the Serbian Republic .I was stunned to see posters and statutes commemorating people like Slobodan Milosevic , my guide said one of the posters of a Serbian General basically said “Thank you for a job well done “ .. this is a person who stood trial for war crimes against the Bosnian people. The hills around Sarajevo are full of graves , the streets still have some bullet holes as a memorial to people killed whilst buying bread , a trip to the hills and the former Winter Olympics site reveals where the Bosnians were shelled on a duly basis from up high… you’d think the world would prevent this happening all over again , but … Hopefully Dodik has some form of accident and the immediate threat goes away , but it’s probably more than just him . Edited November 19, 2021 by tonyh29 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 Apparently Dodik and other Serbs are pursuing seccession to avoid legal trouble, which is even worse of a reason than just tribalism. It's beyond cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 When I went to Bucharest they often made it clear to me that they didn't consider themselves part of the Balkans. I think its is one of those vague definitions which you can get about 5 different answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2021 Doing a pub quiz once, we got a list of countries (Bosnia, Croatia, etc.) and asked what was the geographic name of the area. I overheard somebody in another team confidently whisper "I know this one - it's 'the baltic states'". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 19, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 19, 2021 The Balkans used to be known as the Balkan Peninsula and it certainly isn't one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted November 19, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 19, 2021 I used to date a Bosnian Muslim and the Serb war crimes were horrific. Sadly Serb nationalism tied up with anti-muslim sentiment allowed the leadership to easily manipulate the Serb population. Tito held Yugoslavia together for decades allowing the Serbs hatred to fester. As her mum said, if it was Muslims slaughtering Christians in Europe the bombs would be falling really fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sne Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 This one has been bubbling for a bit. I fear it's going to get really, really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Segundo Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I don't know about too much about Bosnia is what Russia has been doing in Donbas and what NATO did in Kosovo in 1999 that different? Or any different?. Certainly the propaganda and the reactions in the West could not be more different. Could it be that when the Serbs see how Ukraine is being supported by NATO to defend and retain Donbas, they might, perhaps justifiably, feel hard done by over having a significant and culturally important chunk of their sovereign territory forcibly taken away from them under similar circumstances. I am not trying to defend what Russia is doing, nor what Serbia did (or for that matter what the Azov Battalion, NATO and the KLA have done). My point is to highlight that the stance of the West is utterly hypocritical when you consider what NATO did in Kosovo, and this could be contributing to the rumblings of discontent resurfacing in the Balkans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, El Segundo said: I don't know about too much about Bosnia is what Russia has been doing in Donbas and what NATO did in Kosovo in 1999 that different? Or any different?. Certainly the propaganda and the reactions in the West could not be more different. Could it be that when the Serbs see how Ukraine is being supported by NATO to defend and retain Donbas, they might, perhaps justifiably, feel hard done by over having a significant and culturally important chunk of their sovereign territory forcibly taken away from them under similar circumstances. I am not trying to defend what Russia is doing, nor what Serbia did (or for that matter what the Azov Battalion, NATO and the KLA have done). My point is to highlight that the stance of the West is utterly hypocritical when you consider what NATO did in Kosovo, and this could be contributing to the rumblings of discontent resurfacing in the Balkans. Not really being aware of what happened 23 years ago, what did happen and how were NATO involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 31, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, ender4 said: Not really being aware of what happened 23 years ago, what did happen and how were NATO involved? Peace-keeping force that halted a genocide As soon as the war crimes had been sorted out, peace restored the countries were split along ethnic lines and the countries allowed to be independent countries. (Obviously with a Peacekeeping NATO force still in place) But NATO stay out of the internal politics NATO didn't annex anything for themselves and didn't agitate to start the whole thing. NATO was also acting under a UN Mandate (and still is) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) As ever with these things, hard to know who to trust when it’s all kicking off, but… My uneducated guess is that Serbia simply doesn’t have the same cards at its disposal as Russia (ie no nukes, much smaller military, less fear of the conflict spreading uncontrollably)… so you’d think there’s more scope for foreign intervention and diplomacy to resolve this quickly. But who knows at the moment. No doubt Putin would love it to kick off Edited July 31, 2022 by KentVillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted August 1, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted August 1, 2022 6 hours ago, El Segundo said: I don't know about too much about Bosnia That much is obvious Quote is what Russia has been doing in Donbas and what NATO did in Kosovo in 1999 that different? Or any different?. Certainly the propaganda and the reactions in the West could not be more different. Could it be that when the Serbs see how Ukraine is being supported by NATO to defend and retain Donbas, they might, perhaps justifiably, feel hard done by over having a significant and culturally important chunk of their sovereign territory forcibly taken away from them under similar circumstances. I am not trying to defend what Russia is doing, nor what Serbia did (or for that matter what the Azov Battalion, NATO and the KLA have done). My point is to highlight that the stance of the West is utterly hypocritical when you consider what NATO did in Kosovo, and this could be contributing to the rumblings of discontent resurfacing in the Balkans. WTF are you on about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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