Rolta Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Biggest danger for us is Newcastle wanting top class manager and poaching Smith from us They'll go for a big name surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I wouldn't worry too much. Nobody rates Smith outside the Villa sphere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 I doubt smith would go tbh. Maybe for england job. But yeah he's not box office at all which is great for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 55 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said: I doubt smith would go tbh. Maybe for england job. But yeah he's not box office at all which is great for us. I think Smith is the perfect replacement for Southgate, he would be right up the FA's street too, I think he would be a very good England Manager. I dont want him to however, losing Graham Taylor to England was a bad move for all parties all those years ago, I wouldn't want that to happen. If Smith keeps improving he has a job for life, he could be our Ferguson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 1 hour ago, thunderball said: I think Smith is the perfect replacement for Southgate, he would be right up the FA's street too, I think he would be a very good England Manager. I dont want him to however, losing Graham Taylor to England was a bad move for all parties all those years ago, I wouldn't want that to happen. If Smith keeps improving he has a job for life, he could be our Ferguson. Maybe perfect for the job but the media and England fan base would be clamouring for a bigger and sexier name than Smith so we’ll be alright at Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, nick76 said: Maybe perfect for the job but the media and England fan base would be clamouring for a bigger and sexier name than Smith so we’ll be alright at Villa. Could always hire Sam Allardyce again. 100 % win record and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 7 hours ago, villalad21 said: I wouldn't worry too much. Nobody rates Smith outside the Villa sphere. Many in the Villa sphere too. Newcastle will go for a marquee managerial signing. They’ll throw big bucks at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, carlitobrigante said: Personally i think Smith is doing a great job. Except for the terrible run before the first covid lockdown I haven't doubted him at all The demand for results is ridiculous. This season we are adapting to a whole new way of playing, have lost our Talisman, are trying to bed multiple new signings and blood new players and field some youngsters, yet some seem disappointed despite all this with being a mid table side We are still way ahead of schedule. If we can get Bailey and Sanson fit and firing, get our brilliant youngsters some experience, and finish mid table I will be a very happy man. "The demand for results is ridiculous". Are you even a fan? It's a results business mate. There is no bedding in of new players and no new way of playing. This is not a experimental season where we can afford to field some youngsters either. We need to go for it and try our best to finish higher than last season. European football is ambitious agreed, but I'm sure it's our aim this season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlitobrigante Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: "The demand for results is ridiculous". Are you even a fan? It's a results business mate. There is no bedding in of new players and no new way of playing. This is not a experimental season where we can afford to field some youngsters either. We need to go for it and try our best to finish higher than last season. European football is ambitious agreed, but I'm sure it's our aim this season. Fine to have that ambition, not fine to throw toys out the pram when it looks like we might fall short. How is having Ings and Watkins upfront not a new way of playing, considering our plan till this season was put everything through Jack, whatever we tried this season would be a new way of playing. We cannt afford to field some youngsters? I guess we just disagree. I am glad Ramsey and Chuk brothers are slowly being integrated, I guess you are too impatient to give youth a chance. We are going for it, i see no signs that we arent. I am just not going to crucify them and call for Deans head if we dont hit the mark. Questioning whether i am even a fan is pretty low from you. Yes we are in a results buisness, but not a results at all costs buisness as you seem to believe. We are building and it takes time, sorry it isnt happening quick enough to satisfy your need for instant gratification 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 10 hours ago, foreveryoung said: "The demand for results is ridiculous". Are you even a fan? It's a results business mate. There is no bedding in of new players and no new way of playing. This is not a experimental season where we can afford to field some youngsters either. We need to go for it and try our best to finish higher than last season. European football is ambitious agreed, but I'm sure it's our aim this season. Of course there is. And why can't we? Whats the impending disaster that you and others think is happening? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, DCJonah said: Of course there is. And why can't we? Whats the impending disaster that you and others think is happening? If we bed in new players, try new formations and give debuts to youngsters we might finish 11th rather than 10th... Disaster Or we do it this side of Christmas before stabilising for the final stretch, 2 points off europe with our arguably best player injured and several players not fit and messing about with international games meaning that we haven't clicked yet If we do a reversal of last season where we're inconsistent at the start and then strong at the end will people still moan? There's no patience 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 19 hours ago, Woody1000 said: It’s nice to see this thread finding some ‘middle ground’. Im sure Dean will have the boys up for it on Friday night, if nothing more I think the players owe us a performance, and a 90+ minute one at that! Would be worrying if we don't tbh. Arsenal away used to be a fixture to really fear (although we've tended to get more good results away to them than likes of Chelsea and Manchester clubs in last 15 years) but given our recent record v them it's not one you write off at all and Palace generally outplayed them the other night and should've won (without Zaha aswell). If we go there and play like we did v Spurs that would be worrying for me as shows we've switched off mentally after beating Man. United which is never a trait of an emerging top team. I'm expecting a good performance tomorrow. If we don't win so be it but a point with us looking more likely winners would be fine for me. I think people are getting confused a bit with expectations on here. It seems to be people getting criticised for demanding europe. I'm not demanding european qualification this season at all....but at same time I'd like us to be in the mix for 8-10th (which dosen't make europe unless you win a cup) as I feel that's realistic from how season has gone so far. We have flaws....but so do teams who will finish in those spots come May. It will also of course be improvement on last season aswell. Forgive me if I just don't want to meekly accept 12-14th as I just think we're better than that. And I'd imagine the onwers and Purslow are of same POV. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 I'm not demanding Europe and don't think Smith should go if we don't make it. But I do think it should be our aim, there is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, foreveryoung said: I'm not demanding Europe and don't think Smith should go if we don't make it. But I do think it should be our aim, there is a difference. I don't expect us to qualify for Europe this season unless maybe we win the FA cup but I fully expect that we will compete for a Europa spot and by that I mean that we compete to finish 7th. We should be in the mix for this next April and I think we should be finishing 8th/9th. Anything less than that and we will have underachieved imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: I'm not demanding Europe and don't think Smith should go if we don't make it. But I do think it should be our aim, there is a difference. That's a harsh metric for me for where we are. However think even DS and his biggest fans on this forum would accept something like 14th and sub 50 points would be massively disappointing after last year. Let's say Bailey returns from cold storage on Friday and features regularly for next 6 months and Buendia is also available....and we still don't finish higher than 13th-14th (obviously injuries so far are legitimate excuse). Wonder what the board would conclude at their end of season review. DS met his targets so far in previous seasons but the season where he has overflow of attacking options he just gets in a muddle with formations and wanting to play as many attackers as possible. That would be a big red flag to his employers that he probably at this point dosen't have the knowledge to take us where we want to go. As it happens I think we'll pick up and have some decent results up to xmas. Next two months are very crucial for this season so we can't be mugging up too many more winnable games like Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griffin Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Next two months are very crucial for this season so we can't be mugging up too many more winnable games like Wolves. It is really important that we get some decent points in the next couple of months, if we don't we could find ourselves looking over our shoulder at a relegation battle and that would put extra pressure on the team and would likely change how we approach games. We cannot afford to get pulled into a survival dogfight for the 2nd have of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Forgive me if I just don't want to meekly accept 12-14th as I just think we're better than that. And I'd imagine the onwers and Purslow are of same POV. I’d be surprised if any fan would accept this tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Sorry, as in Europe, I'm talking Europa, not Champions league of course. If West ham can do it with the Porn dwarfs, surely we can, with Eden's and co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Just now, foreveryoung said: Sorry, as in Europe, I'm talking Europa, not Champions league of course. If West ham can do it with the Porn dwarfs, surely we can, with Eden's and co. Whilst this isn’t a defence of Smith and Villa’s progress. I think you really have to look at West Ham’s spending over the past 5-10 years to see how they should be challenging where they are really. People go on about West Ham like they have done wonders and over achieved but in reality they have spent a hell of a lot of money. They were way ahead of us in their progression. We’re playing catch up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Whilst this isn’t a defence of Smith and Villa’s progress. I think you really have to look at West Ham’s spending over the past 5-10 years to see how they should be challenging where they are really. People go on about West Ham like they have done wonders and over achieved but in reality they have spent a hell of a lot of money. They were way ahead of us in their progression. We’re playing catch up. Yeah a hell of alot of money on duds. Our recruitment at present looks bang on, an again, surely our team looks no worst than a Wet Spam or Everton even now. We need to carry on progressing year after year, a drop in the table would be a huge disappointment, if our own investment carries on. Our owners will want a return sooner rather than later, an that will only come with European football, or a cup run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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