punkiller1981 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 hours ago, LondonLax said: Not offside players. Normally attackers stay onside. They made it so obvious by being so far offside that all Cavani had to do was run towards one and fall down. I dont think Ramsey helped the situation by facing away from the goal and facing Cavani. Had he been facing the goal and got himself in the way of Cavani I think the goal would have stood. Still think Cavani went down cheaply though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted January 11, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2022 It was a strange tactic, looked like Cavani was the attacker and Ramsey the defender. Throw ins back to being complete dogshit as well and WDidFAFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 It was a strange tactic that should've resulted in a goal and our only one of the night. Not sure on the debate here. The tactic was literally spot on and 9 times out of 10 that decision goes in our favour. (More realistically against 14 teams out of 19 that decision goes in our favour) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 hours ago, HalfTimePost said: It was a strange tactic that should've resulted in a goal and our only one of the night. Not sure on the debate here. The tactic was literally spot on and 9 times out of 10 that decision goes in our favour. (More realistically against 14 teams out of 19 that decision goes in our favour) You don’t seem to understand what happened. That tactic never happens, because it’s illegal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team do it before. There is no 14 out of 19 because no one else positions an attacker in an offside position. It’s the defenders who block runners in the examples you are thinking of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfTimePost Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, LondonLax said: You don’t seem to understand what happened. That tactic never happens, because it’s illegal. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team do it before. There is no 14 out of 19 because no one else positions an attacker in an offside position. It’s the defenders who block runners in the examples you are thinking of. I do understand what happened. What a condescending reply. What are you talking about? Every club positions attackers offside in those Freekick positions. The difference was they blocked off the runner rather than jumped back onside. It took them 4 minutes to check it. There's no way the vast majority of the time they do for that long. Hiring a set piece specialist, the entire point is to come up with new tactics. Mental to me we're then moaning when we come up with an allegedly 'new' tactic that took 4 minutes of deliberations to prove wrong. On another occasion that exact tactic works beautifully and it's 1-1. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: I do understand what happened. What a condescending reply. What are you talking about? Every club positions attackers offside in those Freekick positions. The difference was they blocked off the runner rather than jumped back onside. It took them 4 minutes to check it. There's no way the vast majority of the time they do for that long. Hiring a set piece specialist, the entire point is to come up with new tactics. Mental to me we're then moaning when we come up with an allegedly 'new' tactic that took 4 minutes of deliberations to prove wrong. On another occasion that exact tactic works beautifully and it's 1-1. Exactly, and that is not permitted. Hence why no other team does it. Also, they didn’t take 4 minutes to decide on Ramsey. The VAR was asked to check a number of aspects in the goal and the process they go through is to work backwards in order of events. They had to check the hand ball first. Then check Ings offside, then check Watkins offside then check Ramsey offside. As soon as they worked through the first three checks they saw Ramsey was offside right away and it was shown to the ref. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Exactly, and that is not permitted. Hence why no other team does it. Also, they didn’t take 4 minutes to decide on Ramsey. The VAR was asked to check a number of aspects in the goal and the process they go through is to work backwards in order of events. They had to check the hand ball first. Then check Ings offside, then check Watkins offside then check Ramsey offside. As soon as they worked through the first three checks they saw Ramsey was offside right away and it was shown to the ref. It wasn't because Ramsey was offside. It's because he blocked off Cavani which you can't do anywhere on the pitch, offside or not. The only issue was that Ramsey was a bit to obvious in his blocking attempt. A bit more covert in the future and that goal stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 15 hours ago, LondonLax said: It’s worth watching our disallowed goal against Man U closely. If you watch Ramsey and Buendia they both positioned themselves about 5 yards offside just inside the box and don’t move through the whole set piece. Presumably they are acting out a set play and are there to attempt to block off defenders runs. The only thing is that is not allowed. Offside attackers should not interfere with play and should get out of the way to let the onside players play. It is frustrating because it seems like we’ve attempted to be too cute without actually understanding the rules. It’s likely that had Ramsey and Buendia pushed up and kept themselves onside, like attackers normally do, Ings would have scored anyway and the goal could have stood. The bit in bold about Ramsey isn't correct and is the whole problem with the goal. You can see from the angle at around 3:14 in the tweet that Ramsey has gotten in the wrong position and then has to crab across to block Cavani's run, if he was in the correct position to begin with and was stood still when the free kick was being taken it would've been fine, but Ramsey made it too obvious he was acting as a blocker. You're allowed to just stand offside and if someone runs into you that's on them, but you can't obviously try to block a run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Rightdm00 said: It wasn't because Ramsey was offside. It's because he blocked off Cavani which you can't do anywhere on the pitch, offside or not. The only issue was that Ramsey was a bit to obvious in his blocking attempt. A bit more covert in the future and that goal stands. The foul was for offside, not actually for ‘obstruction’. This thread goes through the process and does a better job than me of explaining it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 hours ago, LondonLax said: The foul was for offside, not actually for ‘obstruction’. This thread goes through the process and does a better job than me of explaining it So the only reason for a distinction is one is an offside offense and the other is just a common foul. Still doesn't explain why they took that long to get to the obvious offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Nice! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Happy that this thread got bumped The goal was straight off the training ground… A rehearsed and practiced manoeuvre… and we scored the goal that won the game because of it…. If Gerrard didn’t value his input, he wasn’t obliged to keep him on as a member of his staff 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just watching Southampton City game and they’ve flashed up that we’re joint 2nd on goals scored from set pieces (9) with only Liverpool ahead of us (think they have 11). He’s done a good job. Took a lot of flak when Cash was doing long throws every 5 mins, but since we stopped doing that the approach on set pieces has been good - always looks like the players know what the plan is and we mix it up well with different takers and different routines. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Scorpio Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Gerrard has mentioned numerous times in interviews how happy he is with the set pieces. Good work! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 We’d be close to the bottom 3 without this man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 22, 2022 Moderator Share Posted January 22, 2022 I'm sure we've seen todays' corner routine a couple of times already this season - albeit without the goal, I'm sure Emi has nearly scored a carbon copy of the one he got today. Anyways Nanny is doing fine work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strog Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Nine set-piece goals for Villa this season. Joint second best in the league. All hail the Nanny, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted January 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2022 Remember when people were blaming him for us being shite lol. Good times, good times. 3 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomer Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, Strog said: Nine set-piece goals for Villa this season. Joint second best in the league. All hail the Nanny, No one tell Danny Murphy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I'm sure we've seen todays' corner routine a couple of times already this season - albeit without the goal, I'm sure Emi has nearly scored a carbon copy of the one he got today. Anyways Nanny is doing fine work. You’re right - Vs. United - drew a good save from De Gea. Agree with the above poster. A million x better now that Cash ‘long’ throw nonsense is in the bin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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