Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Ings is probably the best English striker in the league after Kane. I’m surprised he doesn’t get called up more. Maybe it’s his age ? Edited September 30, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 57 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Ings is probably the best English striker in the league after Kane. I’m surprised he doesn’t get called up more. Maybe it’s his age ? Is he similar in age to Kane I’m sure I read somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Tommo_b said: Is he similar in age to Kane I’m sure I read somewhere? Year older but I guess Kane’s established. Southgate probably reluctant to call up older players unless they already been playing under him for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condimentalist Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I actually think Ings is better suited to England and international football than Watkins in many ways - not least because he's such a lethal finisher which Ollie isnt. He's also done more so far this season (including pressing!) so is very unlucky not to be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Do you know how many fans around here were saying Ings was such a lethal finisher before we signed him, the count was most likely zero lol. Ings still needs to find his feet I think and he has made some excellent contributions and scored a couple but at the moment I think he's struggling more than what he should be. I was shocked when we bought him and I still wonder if he will be as good for us as he was at Southampton, that question is on my mind. I think at the moment he's doing just enough to say "yeah he's pulling his weight in the team", I am sure he will get better in the months to come. As for southgate,he would of been better taking Ings than Kane to the Euros, Southgate is a plonker who rode his way to the final by luck with all the cock ups he made along the way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Condimentalist Posted October 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, Dave-R said: Do you know how many fans around here were saying Ings was such a lethal finisher before we signed him, the count was most likely zero lol. Ings still needs to find his feet I think and he has made some excellent contributions and scored a couple but at the moment I think he's struggling more than what he should be. I was shocked when we bought him and I still wonder if he will be as good for us as he was at Southampton, that question is on my mind. I think at the moment he's doing just enough to say "yeah he's pulling his weight in the team", I am sure he will get better in the months to come. As for southgate,he would of been better taking Ings than Kane to the Euros, Southgate is a plonker who rode his way to the final by luck with all the cock ups he made along the way. 4 goal involvements in 6 games is pretty good. I think he's been excellent, as I said a few pages ago he's a much better all round player than I'd appreciated. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcarpet Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Condimentalist said: 4 goal involvements in 6 games is pretty good. I think he's been excellent, as I said a few pages ago he's a much better all round player than I'd appreciated. this is where I am at with him, he has surprised me at how good his work off the ball and his link up play is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 If you were doubtful about his workrate... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: If you were doubtful about his workrate... Suprised Zaha is top. Also where’s Grealish? Surely he’s classed as a forward if Salah and Mane are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarnikjak Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: If you were doubtful about his workrate... What this graph doesn't show is the percentage of successful pressures. Ings's is very low at about 12%, Watkins is at over 30%. So yes, Ings runs a lot chasing the ball, but is not very effective at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Czarnikjak said: What this graph doesn't show is the percentage of successful pressures. Ings's is very low at about 12%, Watkins is at over 30%. So yes, Ings runs a lot chasing the ball, but is not very effective at it. What counts as a successful pressure…forcing a mistake from the opposition leading to your team regaining the ball? If so, I thought he was particularly good at that v Everton, he really did his defensive work in that game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 We’ve become very good at pressing in packs. So whilst the player that wins the ball or causes the error gets the ‘successful press’ stat. All of them played their part. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, WallisFrizz said: What counts as a successful pressure…forcing a mistake from the opposition leading to your team regaining the ball? If so, I thought he was particularly good at that v Everton, he really did his defensive work in that game. Exactly! A ball playing defender about to start a move forward but instead because of Ings has to pass back or sidewards would, I assume, be classed as a ‘Press’ but not effective press? But stops a potential move forward and the next player may have to launch it forward because they have no options. A ‘Press’ is a ‘Press’ effective either way imo… Edited October 2, 2021 by nick76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 This signing suprised me, the price we paid even more. I think he has contributed to the team okay so far and I think there will be more to come from him as we get further into the season. He might just turn out to be not a bad signing once we see how he has done in his first season with us with regards to work rate, passes, assists and some goals aswell. If he can show that and grab around 9-10 goals this season then he will not a bad signing after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: This signing suprised me, the price we paid even more. I think he has contributed to the team okay so far and I think there will be more to come from him as we get further into the season. He might just turn out to be not a bad signing once we see how he has done in his first season with us with regards to work rate, passes, assists and some goals aswell. If he can show that and grab around 9-10 goals this season then he will not a bad signing after all. Surprised me as well but I think my view is different to yours. I thought he was an incredible signing for us, he’d been linked with bigger teams and to get somebody of his quality with no fuss, attention or knowledge by anybody was brilliant. Given prices today of Lukaku and Kane, getting somebody who scores as many as Ings whose experienced, proven and with his work rate whose only a year older than them, at the price we got him, for was a great bit of business. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, nick76 said: Surprised me as well but I think my view is different to yours. I thought he was an incredible signing for us, he’d been linked with bigger teams and to get somebody of his quality with no fuss, attention or knowledge by anybody was brilliant. Given prices today of Lukaku and Kane, getting somebody who scores as many as Ings whose experienced, proven and with his work rate whose only a year older than them, at the price we got him, for was a great bit of business. Yes, Good point Nick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said: This signing suprised me, the price we paid even more. I think he has contributed to the team okay so far and I think there will be more to come from him as we get further into the season. He might just turn out to be not a bad signing once we see how he has done in his first season with us with regards to work rate, passes, assists and some goals aswell. If he can show that and grab around 9-10 goals this season then he will not a bad signing after all. You thought this was a bad signing ? I was over the moon! There’s no chance this will turn out to be a bad signing unless he gets unlucky with injuries. Edited October 2, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: You thought this was a bad signing ? I was over the moon! There’s no chance this will turn out to be a bad signing unless he gets unlucky with injuries. Agree, I think he's our best established player signing in memory really. Maybe Carew was the last comparable one? Ings is a brilliant player and we're already seeing how good he is. "Top 6" teams should be kicking themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: You thought this was a bad signing ? I was over the moon! There’s no chance this will turn out to be a bad signing unless he gets unlucky with injuries. Completely. It also has the benefit that Watkins and the youngsters can learn more about clinical finishing from him. Watkins is brilliant and is our main man but he could be more clinical sometimes to add to his all round game and he can only learn a few things from Ings in that department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 11:33, Dave-R said: Do you know how many fans around here were saying Ings was such a lethal finisher before we signed him, the count was most likely zero lol. We agree on many things mate but I always thought Ings was a lethal finisher, I was delighted to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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