Loan Thread 2021/22

[Hornso]

Swindon Town had an EFL Trophy game against Arsenal U/21's last night, but Hayden/Kesler Hayden (what does he prefer?) was away on international duty.

[useless]

He played the last thirty minutes of England U20s 6-0 win v Romani on Monday. Both the Swindon and Aston Villa official sites have his name down as Kaine Kesler Hayden, and he has Kesler-Hayden on the back of his Swindon shirt.

[Hornso]

Summary from the weekend - Kalinic returns

Finn Azaz (Newport County) 16th/24
Away at Harrogate (2-2) - Came on at the start of the 2nd half. 15 touches, 88.9% pass accuracy, 2 shots. WhoScored.com rating of 6.12.

Louie Barry (Ipswich Town) 22nd/24
Home to Bolton (2-5) - Unused substitute.

Mungo Bridge (Annecy) 1st/18
Home to Red Star (6-0) - Not in the squad.

Frederic Guilbert (Strasbourg) 15th/20
Away at Lyon (3-1) - Substituted in the 64th minute. 42 touches, 70.6% pass accuracy, 1 key pass. WhoScored.com of 6.13.

Conor Hourihane (Sheffield United) 18th/24
Home to Peterborough (6-2) - Came on in the 70th minute. 15 touches, 80% pass accuracy. WhoScored.com of 6.03.

Lovre Kalinic (Hajduk Split) 2nd/10
Away at Istra 1961 (1-3) - Played 90 minutes.

Kaine Kesler-Hayden (Swindon Town) 7th/24
Home to Port Vale (1-2) - Played 90 minutes. 45 touches, 76.9% pass accuracy. WhoScored.com rating of 6.31.

Ákos Onódi (Bromsgrove Sporting) 8th/21
Home to Hitchin Town (1-0) - Played 90 minutes.

Arjan Raikhy (Stockport County) 16th/23
Home to Yeovil Town (0-3) - Substituted in the 31st minute. 

 

Dominic Revan (Northampton) 9th/23
Away at Forest Green (1-0) - Not in the squad.

Seb Revan (Grimsby Town) 4th/23
Away at Torquay (1-3) - Unused substitute.

Indiana Vassilev (Inter Miami) 17th/27
Home to Columbus Crew (1-0) - Unused substitute.

Wesley (Club Brugge) 1st/18
Home to Oostende (3-0) - Not in the squad.

Tyreik Wright (Salford City) 14th/24
Home to Bradford City (1-0) - Substituted in the 59th minute. 36 touches, 78.3% pass accuracy, 1 shot, 1 shot on target. WhoScored.com rating of 6.71.

Brad Young (Carlisle) 8th/24
Away at Crawley (2-1) - Came on in the 53rd minute. 9 touches, 33.3% pass accuracy, 1 shot. WhoScored.com rating of 5.78.

[Delphinho123]

Kessler aside, these loan spells haven’t started great have they? 

[CVByrne]

9 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

Kessler aside, these loan spells haven’t started great have they? 

Ipswich in a terrible run of form isn't helping Barry

[Awol]

59 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

Ipswich in a terrible run of form isn't helping Barry

Their fans on Twitter saying Ipswich signed some players after the loan was agreed who they didn’t expect to land. That’s limited his opportunities further unfortunately. He’d get more out of training at BMH with the squad than sitting on their bench, if he doesn’t break through before then hopefully we can get him to a different club in Jan. 

[Awol]

1 hour ago, Delphinho123 said:

Kessler aside, these loan spells haven’t started great have they? 

No, and although it’s early days yet it maybe puts our expectations for some of them as Villa 1st teamers in waiting into perspective. A few might get there, but one or two per crop making it is probably a good return. 

[Zatman]

On 08/09/2021 at 19:12, useless said:

He played the last thirty minutes of England U20s 6-0 win v Romani on Monday. Both the Swindon and Aston Villa official sites have his name down as Kaine Kesler Hayden, and he has Kesler-Hayden on the back of his Swindon shirt.

In Football Manager for example he is listed as Kaine Hayden

[CVByrne]

38 minutes ago, Awol said:

Their fans on Twitter saying Ipswich signed some players after the loan was agreed who they didn’t expect to land. That’s limited his opportunities further unfortunately. He’d get more out of training at BMH with the squad than sitting on their bench, if he doesn’t break through before then hopefully we can get him to a different club in Jan. 

I'd expect a different club to be found for him in Jan for sure

[HalfTimePost]

I posted this in the Brad Young thread as it's mostly about him. But its a good interview, gives some insight to why he as a 6yo despite being a Villa fan chose WBA over Villa. Why he left and came back to academy football.

More importantly to this thread, also little tid bits about the stats and reasoning the club gave to him about his style of football and Carlisle's. Standard stuff really but nice to see some thought and planning in action.

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“You’ve always got to play with a smile on your face,” says Brad Young. “If you do that, you play your best football.”

This is the kind of wisdom you expect to hear from older footballers but Young, at 18, has already learned important things about life in the game.

The Aston Villa striker, who is on loan at Carlisle United, talks about a time when the sport wasn’t quite so much fun. It refers to the time he was on the books of Villa’s Midlands rivals West Bromwich Albion, who released Young in his early teens.

“It was my own fault that I got released,” he says. “I kind of had behaviour issues back then. The next day I had a couple of clubs ringing me, but I fell out of love with the game at that point. I felt like it was too serious. I was just a young kid at the time.

“I went back into Saturday and Sunday league football for a year, smashed it there, and ended up getting scouted for Villa and a couple of other clubs. But Villa was local and I supported them.”

 

Young says he returned to the professional scene with Villa as a happier young player. Being involved with local football for that 12-month spell was the period when he started appreciating it as a game again.

“It was too easy [the standard], but I was just enjoying football, scoring loads of goals, it made me fall back into love with it. I realised this is what I want to do for my future.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Young, who is from Chelmsley Wood, Solihull, describes why he had initially chosen West Brom over Villa and other clubs at a tender age. “I was just six years old, playing Sunday league, kids’ football, scoring loads of goals," he says. "West Brom, Blues [Birmingham City] and Villa all wanted me and I chose West Brom in the end. I let my dad take control because training was better at West Brom and I thought they’d develop me better as a player. Before that, back in the day at Villa, they just played games as a kid, not proper sessions.

Young battles with Hartlepool's ex-Carlisle defender Gary Liddle

“But when I found out Villa wanted me [the second time] I went straight there – didn’t bother going to another club.”

Young says he went to Villa Park as a “more mature” boy. “At West Brom, loads of stuff was going on at school, behaviour problems, but then I just focused myself, got back into it and mainly just stuck to football.”

That approach has led Young onto a promising path with the Villans. Last season he starred in their FA Youth Cup winning side and also made his first-team debut, when a glut of academy player stood in for the club’s Covid-hit seniors in a valiant FA Cup showing against Liverpool.

Carlisle, where he is on a season-long loan, is the latest step in his progress. Young was a regular scorer for Villa’s development side last season and his bustling, hard-running style has lent comparisons with a young Jamie Vardy.

He has also shown his competitive edge in his handful of United outings so far, but is keen to learn much more about the hard nature of lower-league football.

“I’ve got to get used to the football,” he says. “The football in League Two, compared to Aston Villa 23s, is very physical, long balls. It’s not really like playing out from the back, tiki-taka, get to the halfway line and put a good ball in behind. Now it’s just smack it and you’ve got to run onto it, pin defenders, get flick-ons, second balls.

“That’s what I’m hoping to learn – the physicality, learning how to play against big defenders, experienced defenders. Some of the defenders in this league have had 200-odd games, sometimes more. It will be good experience for me to play against them and see how I do.”

With this in mind, Young drew praise from United boss Chris Beech when, a few minutes into a substitute debut at Port Vale last month, he left a feisty challenge on the home side’s seasoned defender Leon Legge.

He says: “All the lads were saying that the gaffer likes it when the physical lads leave a challenge on someone, so I thought I might as well on my debut…”

Young had caught Beech’s eye with an energetic performance for Villa’s Under-21s at Brunton Park in last season’s Papa John’s Trophy. A few weeks later he was involved in a rather higher-profile experience, when Dean Smith’s senior players were downed by coronavirus and an academy side had to step up at short notice to face Liverpool in the FA Cup third round.

They performed bravely, losing 4-1 against a Reds side containing the likes of Mo Salah, Sadio Mane, Jordan Henderson and Gini Wijnaldum. Young came off the bench on the hour mark and produced one impudent moment of skill to evade visiting sub Xherdan Shaqiri.

“That was a mad couple of days,” he says. “We found out a couple of players had Covid, and the next thing you know our academy manager was saying a couple of [academy] players might be playing in the game – and then he called us in again and said the whole team’s playing!”

Was he nervous when warming up to face Jurgen Klopp’s megastars? He shakes his head. “I don’t get nervous before a game, I don’t know why. I think it’s because I’ve been doing this that many years, it’s just normal. I just wanted to get out on the pitch and play.

“It was amazing, a dream come true. I did alright. It was one of those games where they [Liverpool] were just popping the ball. Literally a running session…”

Young celebrates scoring for Aston Villa against Liverpool in last season's FA Youth Cup final victory (photo: PA)

Villa overcame Liverpool's Under-18s to win the FA Youth Cup later in the season. Young scored a penalty in the final. “Amazing, that was. The biggest youth trophy that you can win. A year ago, we were talking about it at Villa as a group: ‘Imagine winning that cup’. Then we went and done it.

“There were 5,000 Villa fans there and it felt like 20,000. They were loud. That got us going and got me going.”

Young picks out academy coach Sean Verity as a key influence in his time at Villa. “He was 15 and 16s manager, now he’s with the 18s. He had a big effect on me as a coach. When you’re training with him, it’s all serious but outside of football you can go to him for anything.”

Young said those at Villa in charge of loan moves for highlighted Carlisle as a worthwhile destination. His agent called him early in the season to alert him to United’s interest and he was brought up to speed on the Blues.

“I had a couple of conversations with the loan people at Villa, and they were telling me about Carlisle’s football, showing me through the stats, how they counter-attack – they said this was the perfect move for me because that’s my type of football.

“I like the ball in behind, to rat about, press, everything. Before I came, the gaffer [Beech] was talking to me about how he likes to play it in behind. I can come and get it to my feet and I don’t mind that, but the majority of the time I like running in behind. When I saw the football they played, I thought it was the perfect move.”

Young scores for United in the Papa John's Trophy shoot-out against Hartlepool

Young started for United in the Trophy against Hartlepool last week, scoring a Jorginho-style penalty in the Blues' shoot-out win, and has had two sub outings in the league. He hopes to press his claims further whilst learning from older heads around him at United.

“The gaffer called me for a chat yesterday and said, ‘Just be patient, and when you get your opportunity, take it’,” he adds. “I’ll be patient, hopefully get into the starting team soon and when the opportunity comes, try to grab it with both hands.

“I’ve just got to earn his trust, really. When he puts me on or starts me he’s got to know I’m gonna run about and get the job done. I’ve got to earn that trust from now.

“It’s a great group of lads here, everyone’s technically good on the ball, and physical. It’s a good challenge and good for my experience to be here. I just want to show everyone that I’m at this level in my career, still a young lad, but I can score goals in League Two and can play men’s football.”

Young knows there is lots of interest from Villa supporters in his progress at United. “It’s amazing I’ve got so many Villa fans and even Carlisle fans behind me, keen to see me achieve good things,” he says. “It’s a good feeling and I want to show them that when I get the opportunity.”

Life at Carlisle is a learning curve in other ways. Beech has already spoken about Young’s difficulties in adapting to certain domestic tasks and the striker laughs when this comes up in his first United media session.

“When I first came here I was cooking for the first time in my life,” he says. “I’d normally get my mum to do it all. But I’m getting there. I made fish and noodles, but to begin with I couldn’t work the oven. I had to phone my mum and ask her. It took about half an hour to get it done. It tasted alright in the end. Not as good as my mum’s though.”

So Young won’t be having guests over for dinner parties just yet? “Only if they’re cooking…”

This weekend brings another first for Young, for United’s long trip to Crawley will oblige the forward and various other team-mates to perform a time-honoured initiation ritual. He intends to carry out this task with the same smile he wants to bring to his football in a blue shirt.

“Just before I came in here for this interview we were all talking about it,” he says. “There’s about 10 lads that have got to sing…but I don’t mind it.

“I ain’t got a song in mind. Every time I sing it’s normally something different. I like to have a laugh about it so it ain’t just a boring singing song. I like to get everyone going a bit…”

 

[Hornso]

Summary from Tuesday night

Finn Azaz (Newport County) 19th/24
Home to Northampton (0-1) - Came on in the 71st minute. 16 touches, 70% pass accuracy, 1 shot, 2 key passes. WhoScored.com rating of 6.34.

Louie Barry (Ipswich Town)
Home to West Ham U/21s [EFL Trophy] (1-2) - Substituted in the 66th minute.

Conor Hourihane (Sheffield United) 18th/24
Home to Preston (2-2) - Came on in the 77th minute. 13 touches, 90.9% pass accuracy. WhoScored.com of 6.12.

Arjan Raikhy (Stockport County) 10th/23
Away at Maidenhead (0-2) - Unused substitute.

Dominic Revan (Northampton) 3rd/23
Away at Newport (0-1) - Not in the squad.

Seb Revan (Grimsby Town) 4th/23
Home to Wrexham (3-1) - Unused substitute.

Indiana Vassilev (Inter Miami) 11th/27
Away at Toronto (0-1) - Substituted in the 54th minute. 19 touches, 80% pass accuracy, 2 shots, 1 shot on target. WhoScored.com rating of 6.31.

[Laughable Chimp]

On 13/09/2021 at 14:40, Delphinho123 said:

Kessler aside, these loan spells haven’t started great have they? 

Honestly, if you just looked at who scored ratings Kessler's loan spell hasn't been great either so far.

[wilko154]

There was almost no chance that these players were going to go out on these clubs and hit the ground running in mens football from the off.

I've said it in Louie Barry's thread, it's a long season and these lads need to be working hard, proving themselves and battling their ways into the first team. It's all part of their progression.

The players will be developing in training alone competing against seasoned professionals who are battling to retain their places week in week out. That's exactly why we have sent them out on loan.

Some of these lads will be back out on loan next season before being integrated into Villa's team, so their aims should be to prove themselves and earn a spot before the end of the season this year. The unfortunate truth is some of them just won't be good enough full stop and will never make it to the PL.

I personally have some faith that Raikhy, Kesler & Young will soon be regulars. Barry will be a good impact sub this season and a goal will get him going; but he needs to fill out as we've seen with Jacob Ramsey before he really shows what he can do.

[Hornso]

Summary from Wednesday night - Wesley's wait continues

Wesley (Club Brugge) 3rd/4
Home to PSG [Champions League] (1-1) - Unused substitute.

Interestingly, Club Brugge also had Bas Dost on the bench. Wesley might find it hard to get minutes.

[rodders0223]

"Young, who is from Chelmsley Wood, Solihull, describes why he had initially chosen West Brom over Villa and other clubs at a tender age. “I was just six years old, playing Sunday league, kids’ football, scoring loads of goals," he says. "West Brom, Blues [Birmingham City] and Villa all wanted me and I chose West Brom in the end. I let my dad take control because training was better at West Brom and I thought they’d develop me better as a player. Before that, back in the day at Villa, they just played games as a kid, not proper sessions."

 

 

Absolutely disgusting the lack of infrastructure at this club under Lerner.

Tony was a moron and wouldn't have helped but it was well gone by that time.

I despise that man. Genuine moron.

[Hornso]

Summary from the weekend - Conor doing Conor things

Finn Azaz (Newport County) 12th/24
Home to Walsall (2-1) - Came on in the 64th minute. 16 touches,66.7% pass accuracy, 1 shot. WhoScored.com rating of 6.29.

Louie Barry (Ipswich Town) 19th/24
Away at Lincoln (0-1) - Not in the squad (knock)

Mungo Bridge (Annecy) 3rd/18
Away at US Orleans (2-2) - Not in the squad.

Frederic Guilbert (Strasbourg) 12th/20
Home to Metz (3-0) - Substituted in the 74th minute. 44 touches, 75% pass accuracy. WhoScored.com of 7.70.

Conor Hourihane (Sheffield United) 15th/24
Away at Hull (1-3) - Substituted in the 64th minute. 45 touches, 86.7% pass accuracy, 2 key passes, 2 assists. WhoScored.com of 7.97.

Kaine Kesler-Hayden (Swindon Town) 10th/24
Away at Northampton (1-1) - Played 90 minutes. 75 touches, 88.7% pass accuracy, 1 shot, 4 key passes. WhoScored.com rating of 7.29.

Ákos Onódi (Bromsgrove Sporting)
Home to Worksop Town [FA Cup 2nd Qual Rnd] (6-0) - Played 90 minutes.

Arjan Raikhy (Stockport County) 11th/23
Away at Halifax (3-0) - Unused substitute.

Dominic Revan (Northampton) 4th/24
Home to Swindon Town (1-1) - Not in the squad.

Seb Revan (Grimsby Town) 3rd/23
Home to Eastleigh (2-0) - Came on in the 78th minute.

Indiana Vassilev (Inter Miami) 17th/27
Home to New York Red Bulls (0-4) - Came on at the start of the 2nd half. 8 touches, 75% pass accuracy. WhoScored.com rating of 5.88.

Wesley (Club Brugge) 1st/18
Away at Sporting Charleroi (0-1) - Substituted in the 55th minute. 28 touches, 65% pass accuracy, 2 shots. WhoScored.com rating of 6.17.

Tyreik Wright (Salford City) 17th/24
Away at Tranmere (2-0) - Substituted in the 29th minute (believe tactical in response to a red card). 14 touches, 80% pass accuracy, 1 shot, 1 shot on target. WhoScored.com rating of 6.25.

Brad Young (Carlisle) 13th/24
Home to Scunthorpe (2-2) - Came on in the 58th minute. 7 touches, 66.7% pass accuracy. WhoScored.com rating of 6.17.

[Shomin Geki]

You're a proper gem, Hornso. 

[Laughable Chimp]

Classic Conor. 2 assists from 2 corners.

[HanoiVillan]

6 hours ago, Hornso said:

Ákos Onódi (Bromsgrove Sporting)

 

Home to Worksop Town [FA Cup 2nd Qual Rnd] (6-0) - Played 90 minutes.

I was at this one, with 721 other souls. Lovely afternoon, sun and beers at pitchside and a fine performance from Bromsgrove Sporting. 6 goals, of which only 2 or 3 game from Worksop errors, and the 5th was a flying scissor kick into the top-right hand corner that the lad could do 1000 times and it wouldn't come off like that.

When I went, I had the intention of writing some sort of witty, perceptive analysis of Onodi's performance, but in truth he barely had anything to do all afternoon. I think he made one or two comfortable saves, and communicated a lot with his defenders, definitely didn't do anything wrong apart from putting a couple of goal kicks out of play in the first half.

[Hornso]

Summary from midweek - Fred likes France

Frederic Guilbert (Strasbourg) 9th/20
Away at Lens (0-1) - Played 90 minutes. 64 touches, 81.8% pass accuracy, 2 key passes. WhoScored.com of 7.56.

Conor Hourihane (Sheffield United) 15th/24
Home to Southampton [EFL Cup 3rd Round] (2-2p) - Not in the squad.

Indiana Vassilev (Inter Miami) 17th/27
Home to Nashville (1-5) - Unused substitute.