KMitch Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: You need to actually look at the individual stats. His dribbling is subpar. 1.5 Completed dribbles (fouled + dribbles). For instance that's about half foden and like 1/4 Jack. This is per 90 so the stats are slightly different. The majority of his appearances were off the bench this season... He's going to be inconsistent as a 20 year old in his first season playing in the Premier League. Here are some of his full appearances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TYJtdMAgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsE90CPkAGI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Nice to see us looking at going back to our feeder club to cherry pick some of their top players 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, KMitch said: The majority of his appearances were off the bench this season... He's going to be inconsistent as a 20 year old in his first season playing in the Premier League. Here are some of his full appearances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1TYJtdMAgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsE90CPkAGI The thing I showed in my quote is per 90. And he is the 9th percentile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Just now, MotoMkali said: The thing I showed in my quote is per 90. And he is the 9th percentile. Minutes from the bench <> minutes starting because you're not always playing in your preferred position/role and most likely won't see as much of the ball... When you come off the bench for more appearances than when you've started, your stats for the season are skewed. If you only pull his stats from the games he's started this season, they'll show a different story. Having actually watched the kid play on several occasions myself, I can say he is a dribbler. Watch the Brighton game from above where they kick the Hell out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, KMitch said: Minutes from the bench <> minutes starting because you're not always playing in your preferred position/role and most likely won't see as much of the ball... When you come off the bench for more appearances than when you've started, your stats for the season are skewed. If you only pull his stats from the games he's started this season, they'll show a different story. Having actually watched the kid play on several occasions myself, I can say he is a dribbler. Watch the Brighton game from above where they kick the Hell out of him. He started in 27 of his 34 appearances for arsenal. So the overwhelming majority of his minute came as a starter. I'm not saying he isn't a good player he looks like he can keep the ball ticking over and find the final ball. It just doesn't look like his dribbling stats are impressive. And I presume the games above are cherry picked as some of his better performances. Edited June 16, 2021 by MotoMkali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Is he named after our Emile? Could be destiny that he ends up here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I hope his agent has told him to at least listen to what we have to say after putting the bid in. I feel like Lange can be very persuasive, and he might be a bit irritated that Arsenal have been holding out on giving him what he thinks he's worth. If we're willing to give him what he wants, it might make him feel like we would value him more than Arsenal currently do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I thought he was one of the main reasons why Arsenal managed to finish above us. Looks like he could be a really good signing. Don’t see it happening though but you never know. Probably more likely than Ward-Prowse. Bring this guy in plus Pape Sarr and we’d have a class midfield for the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Panto_Villan said: Wow, never thought I'd see Gareth Bale in a Villa top! That is Bukayo Saka not Carney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post one_ian_taylor Posted June 16, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2021 Can clearly see where this rumour came from. Journo 1 sees a picture of Dean standing adjacent to Martimez and Buendia, says "You know what that is? It's an Emil-Smith row". Journo 2 grts3 the wrong end of the stick. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panto_Villan Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, Keyblade said: That is Bukayo Saka not Carney Is it? I just can't tell any more. Every time I look at a football player I see Gareth Bale's face leering back at me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, MotoMkali said: He started in 27 of his 34 appearances for arsenal. So the overwhelming majority of his minute came as a starter. I'm not saying he isn't a good player he looks like he can keep the ball ticking over and find the final ball. It just doesn't look like his dribbling stats are impressive. And I presume the games above are cherry picked as some of his better performances. Yes and he was good in many of the starts. Scored the winner v Chelsea at end of the season and was excellent v likes of West Brom and Newcastle when he first broke through so has no issue playing low block teams. Always played well at home to Spurs and was unlucky not to score in that game. Have a look at Arsenal's scoring record up to December and then from that point onwards for second half of the season and it's quite a difference and he was one of the reasons. I personally rate him as high as Saka who is good but his end product once in final third isn't as good as ESR imo. Edited June 16, 2021 by VillaChris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 minute ago, VillaChris said: Yes and he was good in many of the starts. Scored the winner v Chelsea at end of the season and was excellent v likes of West Brom and Newcastle when he first broke through so has no issue playing low block teams. Always played well at home to Spurs and was unlucky not to score in that game. Have a look at Arsenal's scoring record up to December and then from that point onwards for second half of the season and it's quite a difference and he was one of the reasons. I personally rate him as high as Saka who is good but his end product once in final third isn't as good as ESR imo. I'm not saying he isn't good. Just his dribbling stats aren't that impressive. And neither are his creation stats although is final ball looks to be very good and his passing is already elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 What time do they wake up in New Zealand? Will be an interesting morning I fancy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Whilst I don't see it happening unfortunately, I do find the reaction a bit hilarious on twitter, its like no one outside us villa fans knows we are now owned by 2 billianairs and are looking to push on I honestly think some think Doug Ellis still owns us 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 even the BBC are reporting it! I swear we are just trolling them now lol. Arsenal reject Aston Villa's £25m bid for Emile Smith Rowe https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57505196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted June 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2021 IF we've bid that for him then he can easily say to Arsenal he needs the wages to match the price tag. I wonder where that would sit in their wage structure. Part of me thinks we've some insider knowledge of Arsenal's financial workings and we're exploiting that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: I'm not saying he isn't good. Just his dribbling stats aren't that impressive. And neither are his creation stats although is final ball looks to be very good and his passing is already elite. Stats are stats otherwise Spain would be winning 6-0 the other night with likes of Olmo, Pedri and all your other stat friendly players. It's those little things you notice with players coming through, that extra air of quality. Little feint or acceleration to get away from the defence. Smith Rowe has it as does Foden. And Grealish of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 16, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jareth said: IF we've bid that for him then he can easily say to Arsenal he needs the wages to match the price tag. I wonder where that would sit in their wage structure. Part of me thinks we've some insider knowledge of Arsenal's financial workings and we're exploiting that. That's an interesting point. if the wages Smith Rowe wants and the wages Arsenal are offering are miles apart, maybe we've caught wind of that and are willing to put ESR on the type of wages he wants with a guarantee of more football. Could put Arsenal in a bit of a difficult position. Pure speculation of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Would be funny if someone made a "Welcome to Aston Villa" compilation video of him on YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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