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Ashley Young: Redux


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4 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Yes and I am very happy about the Buendia signing. He is perfect for us. This move smells of failures sign our preferred targets or simply don't have much more money to spend.

This is a strategic move imo......not part of the overall plan.

it could be quite prudent, I never seen this coming, shows that despite their general model, they can still deviate, when it makes sense.

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3 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Yes and I am very happy about the Buendia signing. He is perfect for us. This move smells of failures sign our preferred targets or simply don't have much more money to spend.

By the looks of it we have 2 players in already,  we are bringing people in while other teams are trying work out a plan ,would you rather a return to the good old days o signing players all on deadline day? Thats what I would call failure to get preferred targets.

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4 minutes ago, TRO said:

I think the issue is a gap between the 18's and the first team 25's.

Ashley will buy us some time, and raise the bar of winners around BMH, I think that is the essence of this deal.....The kids can learn from him.

This is exactly how I feel. Regardless of anything else, Ashley is clearly a pro, has played at the highest levels across a few teams and his attitude and professionalism alone will be something that the younger guys can learn from and be inspired by. He is a winner, pure and simple, you cant teach that but you can lead by example. He will also be a good squad player who we can rely on as the younger prospects gain experience and fill the gap until we can grow our own to bridge the gap between the prospects and the first team. He is not the same player he was when he left and thats the point - we would be recruiting him for a totally different reason this time around. 

I trust the recruitment team on this - whether he arrives or not.

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11 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Upto 20 million I would be fine with. I feel that and a quality 6 or JWP (ideally both). This would see us have a first team capable of mixing it with any team in the league. A striker that can play wide and 10 would be the icing on the cake.

I wouldn’t been as happy spending up to 20m on a left back this summer, I think we have more priority areas that need attention for the bulk of the money.  

If we had 200m to spend this summer, then yeah no worries but the rumours we are getting, is two main players and then others (obviously this maybe untrue).  Buendia being one, so I would’ve been disappointed if a left back was the other, I think we have other pressing needs and Young gets us across the line for another season and we hope our main fullbacks stay fit.

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So we're signing him as a good influence on the training ground? May as well have kept Micah Richards, he was well liked by all accounts. 

We have plenty of good coaches, what we need is good young players, not a 36 year old. 

Don't like this one at all. 

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3 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

So we're signing him as a good influence on the training ground? May as well have kept Micah Richards, he was well liked by all accounts. 

We have plenty of good coaches, what we need is good young players, not a 36 year old. 

Don't like this one at all. 

Thing is we have clearly got really good young players in the youth team that probably aren't ready for this season.  Young could be a bridge between now and when the likes of Chrisene or Revan can make the step up. If you bring in a young signing instead then their pathway gets blocked.  Ultimately if Young is still able to bomb up and down the wing I'm OK with it. 

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Wasn't keen at first but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

Way I see it, we know that we have money to spend, but FFP restrictions means that we have to be smart as to how we not only strengthen, but also stabilise the squad. I think that there are other positions that need more serious investment, so if we've got Young as cover for potentially both Cash and Targett, then I don't really see us as being particularly light in this area. His experience will be valuable, and I don't think he's going to half arse it and be content with sitting on the bench. He'll be pushing for a start, which can only be good for Cash and Targett.

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7 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

So we're signing him as a good influence on the training ground? May as well have kept Micah Richards, he was well liked by all accounts. 

We have plenty of good coaches, what we need is good young players, not a 36 year old. 

Don't like this one at all. 

I get what you’re saying, but I trust the club and the current administration. If they think this is low risk and a good move then I trust them :) 

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17 minutes ago, TRO said:

it could be quite prudent, I never seen this coming, shows that despite their general model, they can still deviate, when it makes sense.

Agreed. And if nothing else it will mean people on here don’t dismiss potential signings based on comments from a single interview a couple of years ago about the sort of players we’d ideally sign!

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Last time I saw him play was when he was looking like a horse ready for the glue factory back in the 2018 world cup

that said he just played 26 games for a team that won the league, so presumably he still has something to offer

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18 minutes ago, TRO said:

This is a strategic move imo......not part of the overall plan.

it could be quite prudent, I never seen this coming, shows that despite their general model, they can still deviate, when it makes sense.

I always look for your opinion and im glad it was this one as i see this as a sensible signing for a player who has shown he's just as fit as a 25 yrd old and can cover several positions,

Brings experience and just come off a league title win with Inter, knows the club albeit a lot has changed since that time.. but Ashley Young has a great attitude which will work well, definitely good piece of business, future signings will be more younger with potential and longevity in other areas in the team such as central Midfield and forward areas. But its a thumbs up from me 👍🏽  

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Well i am eating humble pie, as i didn't think this would happen but looks like it is.

We do lack experience and leadership all over the park, i think for the wages he will be on he will be more than just a back up for Targett, I can see him regularly getting some game time further up the pitch even if just from the bench. You don't bring in someone of his class and wages to sit on the bench all season, unless his role is transitioning to coaching and he is there for more than just occasional cameos.

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Ok, must admit didn’t think this was likely, but it looks like it’s gonna happen.

If the contract is right, and considering it’ll likely be a 1 year deal (maybe an option of one more) and allow one of our youngsters to develop, then it’s a good move.

And like someone said before, it’s not like we can drop £20m plus in every position

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4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Last time I saw him play was when he was looking like a horse ready for the glue factory back in the 2018 world cup

that said he just played 26 games for a team that won the league, so presumably he still has something to offer

The Italian league is slower and more technical. He needs to still have a bit of pace and quickness or he will get scythed down in seconds every time he gets the ball in the Prem. Hopefully he does.

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21 minutes ago, TRO said:

This is a strategic move imo......not part of the overall plan.

it could be quite prudent, I never seen this coming, shows that despite their general model, they can still deviate, when it makes sense.

I think it would be part of the general model.  Have a young group of players of around 20-30 players (first team and quality in younger teams) and then a handful of older players for various reasons.  I think there needs to be a balance, it cant all be young and so our model is 90% young and the rest older players.  A pure 100% youngsters would seem too far.  Somebody like Young whose been around the block, is free, and I assume his wages wont be stupid will benefit the younger players.  I think this would be part of the general model.

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