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Ashley Young: Redux


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8 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

He has been in Italy for 2 seasons where he has done fairly well. But the rigors of the Premier league break aging players. This has disaster written all over it. Fortunately we aren't in a position where we have to throw him into the first team straight away.

So you keep saying.

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Sorry but this move really disappoints me. I don’t rate Targett as anything more than a reliable 6-7 out of ten player. I was hoping for real competition here. For me this is a position where we need a viable quality alternative, with pace and energy.

It all hints to the tactical approach we are likely to take, which doesn't excite me.

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Once next season is over and done with I bet he will have played a lot more as a winger than he will have as a full back. I think we will see him subbed on a lot in games in that position to add some experience, composure and help us keep the ball better. 

Also wouldn't be surprised if he's being brought in with a coaching role in mind, either with the academy, Boateng and Jedinek are currently coaching the U23s and U16s, Taylor had some sort of mentorship role, and Elmohamady was offered a coaching role as well, or maybe even as an eventually Terry replacement if he moves into full time management.

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2 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Sorry but this move really disappoints me. I don’t rate Targett as anything more than a reliable 6-7 out of ten player. I was hoping for real competition here. For me this is a position where we need a viable quality alternative, with pace and energy.

It all hints to the tactical approach we are likely to take, which doesn't excite me.

What tactical approach would that be? 

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7 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Those guys one were world class. Ashley as much as I love him never was. They both play in more sedentary positions where they just need to hold their position and not cover large distances. They don't require lots of explosive bursts either.

I don’t know what to make of this transfer , but in Young’s defence he stopped relying on pace years ago and adapted well to prolong his career, never in a million years did he expect a player who started his first game for us as a second striker behind Carew playing left back years later

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3 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Sorry but this move really disappoints me. I don’t rate Targett as anything more than a reliable 6-7 out of ten player. I was hoping for real competition here. For me this is a position where we need a viable quality alternative, with pace and energy.

It all hints to the tactical approach we are likely to take, which doesn't excite me.

Mate, you’ve said it about 95 times now.

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The rigors of being a rotation/back up player in the PL. 100% certain he could handle that.

And then if by next season we need a upgrade on Targett to kick on we are in a much better position to attract one. 

This signing would give us time, save us money and still improve us short term. Could not care less that he dived for a penalty a bunch of seasons ago.

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1 minute ago, mikeyp102 said:

What tactical approach would that be? 

Basically the 4-2-3-1, played just like we used it last season, only with slightly more creativity. This won't take us forward unless we sign at least one top class specialist 6 and a quality shadow striker.

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6 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Sorry but this move really disappoints me. I don’t rate Targett as anything more than a reliable 6-7 out of ten player. I was hoping for real competition here. For me this is a position where we need a viable quality alternative, with pace and energy.

It all hints to the tactical approach we are likely to take, which doesn't excite me.

6-7 out of ten player?!?!

Did you watch last season? Were his teammates playing a different game when they voted for him as player of the season. This was with Neil Taylor as competition as well.

 

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8 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Sorry but this move really disappoints me. I don’t rate Targett as anything more than a reliable 6-7 out of ten player. I was hoping for real competition here. For me this is a position where we need a viable quality alternative, with pace and energy.

It all hints to the tactical approach we are likely to take, which doesn't excite me.

not only are you insulting targett with this statement, you are also insulting all the players that voted him as he won the players player of the year award

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Basically the 4-2-3-1, played just like we used it last season, only with slightly more creativity. This won't take us forward unless we sign at least one top class specialist 6 and a quality shadow striker.

But this signing is a back up. We could still go and buy other players for those positions. 
I think you’re jumping to a lot of conclusions based on a potential “free” signing. 
For me, he’s a good backup, which means we don’t need to waste £10-15m on a back up, funds that can then go towards other signings.

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3 minutes ago, Okonokos said:

Aaaannd you've lost me. Targett was our best player last season.

No he wasn't. Jack was! Our most improved player yes, most reliable defender yes. Watkins was better than him, Konsa was on par with him.

Targett went from needing to be replaced to undropable. That is certainly fine work. But he is still limited.

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1 minute ago, Philosopher said:

Basically the 4-2-3-1, played just like we used it last season, only with slightly more creativity. This won't take us forward unless we sign at least one top class specialist 6 and a quality shadow striker.

Hark and pray silence, the soothsayer has spoken.

Soothsayer, please continue...

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19 minutes ago, supermon said:

If this is what he is still capable of then yes please, can still whip a ball in better than Cash, Target n Guilbert.

He can be our Cambiasso lol

Was that meant to impress? 🤣 Probably the worst player vid I’ve ever seen!

Other than his goal he looked totally ineffective there!

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The signing is less to do with what position he will play and more to do with his experience, I don't think we're signing him as our prime solution to lack of options at full back, and we're not desperate for another winger either. I think it's probably a sign that we're going to use the youngsters more, as otherwise I'm not sure we'd allow a 36 year old to take up a squad place, but because our academy is so good at the moment we're in a position where we can afford to do that.

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1 minute ago, tomav84 said:

not only are you insulting targett with this statement, you are also insulting all the players that voted him as he won the players player of the year award

That's my view. It's not insulting. He is a solid, reliable performer that has his limitations. One good season as a defensive fullback, doesn't make him a top fullback.

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