The Fun Factory Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: 32 so understandable why released. A decent back up LB for Leicester though. Similar to Young for us. 4 year age difference is quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Just now, The Fun Factory said: 4 year age difference is quite a lot. Fair point. I meant more in buying an older player for free as a back up. Young is fairly old but he seems in great shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Something doesn't smell right at Southampton. Have gone downhill fast and look like a relegation struggler now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Something doesn't smell right at Southampton. Have gone downhill fast and look like a relegation struggler now. Have to agree, they look to be in same situation as Newcastle where there Owners don't want to spend. Did they get into some FFP difficulty or did Covid have an affect on some of these prem clubs also??? I think you are right that something doesn't smell right or are the Owners being just tight kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kiwivillan Posted August 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: Something doesn't smell right at Southampton. Have gone downhill fast and look like a relegation struggler now. Chinese owner can't get money out of China. Sound familiar? We were so lucky NSWE came in and rescued us 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 I think we will find that quite a few premier league teams will settle for surviving in the league. There is absolutely no chance for 10 teams in the league to compete at the top table . Even Everton with all of Moshinis money have hit their glass ceiling due to FFP. ) i just hope that NWSE are thinking in 10 year plans rather than 5 years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 The league needs a salary cap that is enforced. So many clubs just make up the numbers now, and we are one of them. We have a glimmer of hope that we might break into the top group, but unless clubs like Newcastle get bought by nation states, they have no hope of doing anything other than maybe getting relegated. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 I honestly can't see how they would turn down a bid in the region of 40m for JWP. If they need the money, surely that will tempt them? I also think a lot will come down to the player. If he wants to leave, then he will make it difficult for Southampton. I don't know where I stand on JWP. In one sense, he's the perfect player as he gives us specialist set piece quality, leadership and knows the league/wont take time to settle. On the other hand, I'm sure you could find a better player for 15m less on the continent. Taking money out of the equation, he improves us but we still need to replace Grealish so taking money out of the equation isn't an option! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, maqroll said: The league needs a salary cap that is enforced. So many clubs just make up the numbers now, and we are one of them. We have a glimmer of hope that we might break into the top group, but unless clubs like Newcastle get bought by nation states, they have no hope of doing anything other than maybe getting relegated. We just make up the numbers? We beat the then-champions 7-2, beat Arsenal twice, beat Spurs and UCL winners Chelsea at the end of the season. We do not just make up the numbers. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, est1874 said: We just make up the numbers? We beat the then-champions 7-2, beat Arsenal twice, beat Spurs and UCL winners Chelsea at the end of the season. We do not just make up the numbers. A great season for VIlla, no doubt, considering our last 12 years or so. But I'm talking in terms of repeatedly qualifying for the CL and winning the league itself. We finally have hope that we might be able to crack the code, but we aren't there yet. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, maqroll said: The league needs a salary cap that is enforced. I'd agree with this if FFP ensured that there'd be a level playing field, but we'd end up like Italy and Germany with the biggest clubs dominant. There's be no Leicester's winning the FA cup or West Ham's pushing for 4th. My choice would be to let owners spend what they like so long as the debt is not leveraged against the club. The debt should sit with the owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, maqroll said: A great season for VIlla, no doubt, considering our last 12 years or so. But I'm talking in terms of repeatedly qualifying for the CL and winning the league itself. We finally have hope that we might be able to crack the code, but we aren't there yet. I agree with you - We're not going to qualify for the Champions League or win the League unless 4/5 world class youngsters come through together and take us there. Best we can hope for is the odd flirtation with top 6 and a Cup win. #reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: I agree with you - We're not going to qualify for the Champions League or win the League unless 4/5 world class youngsters come through together and take us there. Best we can hope for is the odd flirtation with top 6 and a Cup win. #reality. you got to have a dream to have a dream come true. There is something mystical about our great club and I think we will do it as I suspect ffp will be a different beast in the coming years 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 42 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Chinese owner can't get money out of China. Sound familiar? We were so lucky NSWE came in and rescued us Time to pounce then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted August 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: I honestly can't see how they would turn down a bid in the region of 40m for JWP. If they need the money, surely that will tempt them? I also think a lot will come down to the player. If he wants to leave, then he will make it difficult for Southampton. I don't know where I stand on JWP. In one sense, he's the perfect player as he gives us specialist set piece quality, leadership and knows the league/wont take time to settle. On the other hand, I'm sure you could find a better player for 15m less on the continent. Taking money out of the equation, he improves us but we still need to replace Grealish so taking money out of the equation isn't an option! He’s got to have an eye on the WC next summer. Struggling in lower mid-table is pretty much best case for Southampton, which isn’t a great showcase for his ability. Big nose will still be down VP next year watching Ty, Ollie, Matty T, Ezri, and even without ‘that man’ we’ll still be a competitive side, even more so if Prowse joins. Villa’s his best option unless L’plop come in - then we’re goosed. Much as I rate Rice and Philips, England would’ve been better with one of them + JWP, imo. He needs to make that clear this season, and outside top 4 and Leicester we’re going to be the best route to some level of European competition at club level. Career wise Villa makes sense for him (granted my take isn’t completely impartial). 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Awol said: He’s got to have an eye on the WC next summer. Struggling in lower mid-table is pretty much best case for Southampton, which isn’t a great showcase for his ability. Big nose will still be down VP next year watching Ty, Ollie, Matty T, Ezri, and even without ‘that man’ we’ll still be a competitive side, even more so if Prowse joins. Villa’s his best option unless L’plop come in - then we’re goosed. Much as I rate Rice and Philips, England would’ve been better with one of them + JWP, imo. He needs to make that clear this season, and outside top 4 and Leicester we’re going to be the best route to some level of European competition at club level. Career wise Villa makes sense for him (granted my take isn’t completely impartial). Very good post, and I'm sure this is where JWP's head is at. He's at the age where a lot of players are looking for that big career-defining transfer if their current club is struggling to progress. He either goes down the Adam Lallana route of being a squad player at a Champions League side, or the Danny Ings route of being a starter at an improving mid-table side. Either way, he'll probably get into the England squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, The Fun Factory said: 4 year age difference is quite a lot. Young's quality would balance that out though for me. As good as Bertrand is/was Young is a level or two above him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 @KentVillan FWIW at Liverpool I’d see JWP as the long term replacement for Henderson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted August 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 hour ago, maqroll said: The league needs a salary cap that is enforced. So many clubs just make up the numbers now, and we are one of them. We have a glimmer of hope that we might break into the top group, but unless clubs like Newcastle get bought by nation states, they have no hope of doing anything other than maybe getting relegated. Salary caps only work if the league is a closed system. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 Is this deal still on or off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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