Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) Or, Luiz/Nakamba JWP Sanson We need options, and signing JWP from a rival is a major statement of intent. Edited June 8, 2021 by Zhan_Zhuang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: According to the PL statistics JWP has 14 more tackles in one less game than McGinn. JWP has a 6% higher tackle success than McGinn in again one less game. JWP has 288 recoveries, McGinn 234. Importantly, JWP doubles McGinn for average passes per match, it's a major weakness of McGinn who gives the ball away far too much. Most importantly his set-pieces would be a real asset and his goals and assists which all trump McGinn. Premier League statistics @Kiwivillan go check it out, the truth is out there! You quoted stats I said and then chose other ones then did mic drop gif. You need to earn that. McGinn does lose the ball more often. McGinn dribbles 85/52 attempted/ successful vs JWP 23/17 McGinn take ons 77/52 attempted/ successful vs JWP 22/17 You're going to lose the ball more if you driving forward near 4 times as much. I love how you've framed an argument to rubbish one of our players in favour of a player from another club we haven't signed and have the most tenuous of links with 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: If this rumour has any substance, which I still think it doesn't, the only possible way would be the agent. Which means the same guy who arranged the 5 year deal last season so if he's floating this means he's screwing us and potentially the player if doesn't happen and player's club if he gets the hump. Long story short football player's agents are pond scum. That said still think it's a made up link I don’t know much tbf, just thought it was interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Zhan_Zhuang said: Or, Luiz/Nakamba JWP Sanson We need options, and signing JWP from a rival is a major statement of intent. I would bet money Smith doesn't operate a dedicated DCM based on he barely ever does and besides I don't understand the fascination on here. I really enjoyed Whelan playing that role in Championship but that was because we had no choice with the players available. Edited June 8, 2021 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 8, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2021 Has there been any other press speculation on this since the original Grauniad report and then denial from a local Journo? I could see us dropping £40m on him if we do want him, but until there are more substantial reports I'll treat this as one over excitable journalist taking a punt and hoping there's something in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Has there been any other press speculation on this since the original Grauniad report and then denial from a local Journo? I could see us dropping £40m on him if we do want him, but until there are more substantial reports I'll treat this as one over excitable journalist taking a punt and hoping there's something in it. No I mentioned that earlier. Not a peep out of Paul Doyle on his Twitter and the only coverage after his article were other sites referencing him. I'm treating this like every Grealish to Man City article Edited June 8, 2021 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: You quoted stats I said and then chose other ones then did mic drop gif. You need to earn that. McGinn does lose the ball more often. McGinn dribbles 85/52 attempted/ successful vs JWP 23/17 McGinn take ons 77/52 attempted/ successful vs JWP 22/17 You're going to lose the ball more if you driving forward near 4 times as much. I love how you've framed an argument to rubbish one of our players in favour of a player from another club we haven't signed and have the most tenuous of links with The relevancy of passing statistics, goals and assists were the focus for my comparison. As I say McGinn is poor at that, many agree. It's not personal at all it just is a major weakness of Villa i.e retaining the ball, passing and goalscoring midfielders. JWP would seem like a remedy to that particular problem. I just want Villa to improve, if JWP improves us then great. It's a forum, we debate it's the purpose of VT. Otherwise what is the point? Maybe it's a tenuous link, does not mean VT police should stop us discussing the merits of players at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Paul Doyle was the same journalist that started the rumour last summer that Sawiris was going to buy Portugese club Vitória de Guimarães, and then nothing else was heard of it again. I don't think he just randomly made it up, but does make me wonder if someone feeds him rumours as some sort of distraction technique or something, maybe have people think we're in for Ward-Prowse when in fact it's Sarr that we we want - although not really sure what purpose that would serve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enda Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, sidcow said: Has there been any other press speculation on this since the original Grauniad report and then denial from a local Journo? Yes, it’s been reported in other papers. By James Nursey, so large pinch of salt, but incorrect to say only Paul Doyle has mentioned the name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, useless said: Paul Doyle was the same journalist that started the rumour last summer that Sawiris was going to buy Portugese club Vitória de Guimarães, and then nothing else was heard of it again. I don't think he just randomly made it up, but does make me wonder if someone feeds him rumours as some sort of distraction technique or something, maybe have people think we're in for Ward-Prowse when in fact it's Sarr that we we want - although not really sure what purpose that would serve. I was immediately suspicious of Twitter account with no noticeable history of transfer rumours that does article saying "it's understood that Villa want to sign more midfielders" then transitioning into JWP is top free kick taker days after Grealish comments. He'll probably get a pay rise for all the click bait content he's generated and no one will hold it against him and blame Southampton for standing in the way and the circle of life transfer rumour bollocks will continue season after season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, useless said: Paul Doyle was the same journalist that started the rumour last summer that Sawiris was going to buy Portugese club Vitória de Guimarães, and then nothing else was heard of it again. I don't think he just randomly made it up, but does make me wonder if someone feeds him rumours as some sort of distraction technique or something, maybe have people think we're in for Ward-Prowse when in fact it's Sarr that we we want - although not really sure what purpose that would serve. *walks gingerly into the trap* you know the negotiations in Portugal are ongoing, right? SkyBet has Villa at 5/2 favourites for Ward Prowse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 43 minutes ago, PaulMcGrath_5 said: I would imagine it'll be in the £30-35million mark, if we were able to structure the finances in the same attractive way as we did with Buendia (i.e. a large amount upfront). I think that could be key to getting a deal. They may not want to sell but could have to raise money. Also any money that is still available to reinvest makes a cash deal more attractive to them early in the window. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Enda said: Yes, it’s been reported in other papers. By James Nursey, so large pinch of salt, but incorrect to say only Paul Doyle has mentioned the name. Nursey is referencing Doyle article so meaningless and Nursey is a rocket polisher anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Awol said: SkyBet has Villa at 5/2 favourites for Ward Prowse Buendia was 4/11 to join Arsenal before they suspended the market Can I get odds on JWP not signing for us. That sounds like free money Edited June 8, 2021 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 The Guardian aren't really a newslet that I'd typically associate with clickbait, and looking at Doyle's previous articles he doesn't seem to deal in that kind of thing as an individual either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted June 8, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2021 Just now, Kiwivillan said: Buendia was 4/11 to join Arsenal before they suspended the market Yes, you’re not convinced the rumour is true. I’ve got it. Saying that over and over again won’t stop us discussing it though. 4 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted June 8, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: I was immediately suspicious of Twitter account with no noticeable history of transfer rumours that does article saying "it's understood that Villa want to sign more midfielders" then transitioning into JWP is top free kick taker days after Grealish comments. He'll probably get a pay rise for all the click bait content he's generated and no one will hold it against him and blame Southampton for standing in the way and the circle of life transfer rumour bollocks will continue season after season. Do you think we're in for JWP? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Just now, Awol said: Yes, you’re not convinced the rumour is true. I’ve got it. Saying that over and over again won’t stop us discussing it though. Can I bet on him not signing. I'm serious on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted June 8, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said: Can I bet on him not signing. I'm serious on this You can lay a bet on Betfair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted June 8, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 8, 2021 I don't know anything about Doyle, but when Percy reports something it's usually pretty solid (I'm not saying he reported this, I have no idea if he did or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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