Hank Scorpio Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I just don't see how he fixes the problem of the midfield being too easy to play through. Whenever I watch him he just seems like Hourihane, just better. But still not the player to fix the midfield imbalance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Don’t forget Sanson, seems to be getting overlooked… we have enough box to box MFs, could do with a different option in there… This is a very valid point. I know stats can be very misleading, but take a look at this: https://fbref.com/tiny/y8rj4 If Sanson brings what he did in France, then we have a quality player there - his defensive contribution is phenomenal along with his attacking contribution - but the Premier League is very different. What stands out about JWP is the amount of involvement he has in games - He sees the ball A LOT compared to our boys. I'm not sure why that is? Tactical set up? I'm not convinced we're in for him either to be honest. I think we're going to give Sanson a proper go this season. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Pissflaps said: I just don't see how he fixes the problem of the midfield being too easy to play through. Whenever I watch him he just seems like Hourihane, just better. But still not the player to fix the midfield imbalance. I got some encouragement watching Nakamba the last 2 games tbh Think he's been a bit harshly treated and deserves a crack at making that number 6 role his own. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just a gut feeling but Sanson seems a bit like that jacket you like but is too expensive, then suddenly you see it in a sale and buy it, but never wear it. I hope I'm wrong and admit it's probably a load of bollocks to say at this stage. I can see why JWP would interest Dean, it's a bit like wondering whether we really needed Martinez but it was obvious early on he would win us points. Better set piece delivery will win us points also and he impressed against us. It weakens one of the mid-table rivals too. I suspect if there is a sniff of him being available, NSWE will give Dean what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, sharkyvilla said: Just a gut feeling but Sanson seems a bit like that jacket you like but is too expensive, then suddenly you see it in a sale and buy it, but never wear it. I hope I'm wrong and admit it's probably a load of bollocks to say at this stage. I can see why JWP would interest Dean, it's a bit like wondering whether we really needed Martinez but it was obvious early on he would win us points. Better set piece delivery will win us points also and he impressed against us. It weakens one of the mid-table rivals too. I suspect if there is a sniff of him being available, NSWE will give Dean what he wants. We need another 6. We only have 1 atm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Pissflaps said: I just don't see how he fixes the problem of the midfield being too easy to play through. Whenever I watch him he just seems like Hourihane, just better. But still not the player to fix the midfield imbalance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I’m not judging Sanson here but in his brief time on the pitch I don’t think he impressed, obviously tough coming into a new league midway through a season, didn’t help that we went off the rails a bit when he was playing too but it’s possible that he hasn’t been showing it in training either to date, fingers crossed he benefits from a proper pre season etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: I got some encouragement watching Nakamba the last 2 games tbh Think he's been a bit harshly treated and deserves a crack at making that number 6 role his own. I just don’t see the point in playing him if we want to be on the front foot more in games (and evidently, neither does Dean). He’s a good option for when we are pressured and pushed back to help us out defensively (which is why he played and did well against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea when we were struggling without Barkley and/or Grealish - the absence of that quality CAM throughout the season affected us hugely also) but he doesn’t help progress the play, he is best at breaking up attacks, closing down, getting tackles and interceptions in. But he can’t dictate possession and the flow of the game, doesn’t possess the quality on the ball and passing ability required for such a player. Luiz is better in that aspect but not as good defensively. Lacks the imposing statute and strength to be a dominant DM but has what it takes to be a DLP… which Dean seems to favour… Again, if we could combine those players into 1 we would have a top class individual… worth looking for that option in the market, I don’t want to see us as outmuscled and overpowered next season… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: I’m not judging Sanson here but in his brief time on the pitch I don’t think he impressed, obviously tough coming into a new league midway through a season, didn’t help that we went off the rails a bit when he was playing too but it’s possible that he hasn’t been showing it in training either to date, fingers crossed he benefits from a proper pre season etc. Give him time… he is quite renowned for being a quality player and been linked with big moves in the past… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Give him time… he is quite renowned for being a quality player and been linked with big moves in the past… Of course, as I opened my point with, I’m not judging him based on what we’ve seen to date but if I comment honestly on what we’ve seen, there’s not been much to get too excited over. Hopefully he settles in and shows his capabilities next season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Give him time… he is quite renowned for being a quality player and been linked with big moves in the past… Another one that Arsenal wanted but never completed. He’s got some real talent. He just didn’t get much play before a knee injury knocked him out for the end of last season. No real time to acclimate himself to the PL. look at Bertie, it took awhile for him to fully get into the swing of things. A full, healthy, summer with the squad under his belt will do him wonders. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 2 hours ago, villalad21 said: I got some encouragement watching Nakamba the last 2 games tbh Think he's been a bit harshly treated and deserves a crack at making that number 6 role his own. I think we need better myself. Hes a good squad player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, Jas10 said: I just don’t see the point in playing him if we want to be on the front foot more in games (and evidently, neither does Dean). He’s a good option for when we are pressured and pushed back to help us out defensively (which is why he played and did well against the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea when we were struggling without Barkley and/or Grealish - the absence of that quality CAM throughout the season affected us hugely also) but he doesn’t help progress the play, he is best at breaking up attacks, closing down, getting tackles and interceptions in. But he can’t dictate possession and the flow of the game, doesn’t possess the quality on the ball and passing ability required for such a player. Luiz is better in that aspect but not as good defensively. Lacks the imposing statute and strength to be a dominant DM but has what it takes to be a DLP… which Dean seems to favour… Again, if we could combine those players into 1 we would have a top class individual… worth looking for that option in the market, I don’t want to see us as outmuscled and overpowered next season… Sounds like you want both a destroyer and a playmaker in the same package. I'm not sure this player even exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Sounds like you want both a destroyer and a playmaker in the same package. I'm not sure this player even exist. Kante seems to manage it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, PaulC said: I think we need better myself. Hes a good squad player Not sure we are even looking for one tbh West Ham are linked with more DM'S than we are and they already got Rice and Soucek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 4 hours ago, troon_villan said: If he doesn't have any legs then why are we even bothering to pursue him? Surely we could find someone more suitable? Would you be mad at club not pursuing him if this is made up rumour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Just now, Delphinho123 said: Kante seems to manage it. Yeah and he is probably the best midfielder in the world. Good luck finding another Kante. Generational talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, PaulC said: I think we need better myself. Hes a good squad player Pape Sarr as the understudy to Dougie, pushing him for the shirt. I think Marv and AEG could both move in this summer and if JWP is part of that shake up I’ll be delighted. He was superb for England last night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 No England spot for him. Good. Means he will be easier to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Would you be mad at club not pursuing him if this is made up rumour? Think you may have misread my comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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