sne Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Ingram85 said: I don’t like Lovren but I think that decision is a bit harsh. He isn’t looking at him, arms are used for momentum, it’s accidental for me. It's accidental but it still hits him in the face and prevents him from having an opportunity to head the ball. Clear penalty for me. If it's intentional then it's a red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2021 You would think Scotland prefer a Croatia win here? They then beat Czech Republic and any kind of result against England most likely sends them through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Why does it matter if it's accidental? As sne said, without the elbow hitting him in the face he had a free header. If you accidentally trip someone in the box before they take a shot it's still a penalty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 England beat Scotland and then lose on purpose against the Czechs to get an easier draw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, villalad21 said: England beat Scotland and then lose on purpose against the Czechs to get an easier draw No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingram85 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, sne said: It's accidental but it still hits him in the face and prevents him from having an opportunity to head the ball. Clear penalty for me. If it's intentional then it's a red. So what does Lovren do? How does he jump? Occupational hazard imo for the Czech lad. I dunno, deffo not a clear pen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 it would be peak scotch to still not get to the second round when you have more than a 50% chance of getting through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Penalty was a prime example of what would be given to manU and would not be given against manU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said: Why does it matter if it's accidental? As sne said, without the elbow hitting him in the face he had a free header. If you accidentally trip someone in the box before they take a shot it's still a penalty. Tripping someone in the box isn't a natural part of how the body functions. Jumping in the air means you have to raise your arms and stick elbows out. It's inevitable that if someone jumps alongside you they may get an elbow. If they don't like it they should ban jumping for the ball. It's a nonsense penalty to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Ingram85 said: So what does Lovren do? How does he jump? Occupational hazard imo for the Czech lad. I dunno, deffo not a clear pen. Well referee Jonas Eriksson in the Swedish studio was adamant it was a penalty and I fully agree with him. Sucks for Lovren and Croatia, still the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, sidcow said: Tripping someone in the box isn't a natural part of how the body functions. Jumping in the air means you have to raise your arms and stick elbows out. It's inevitable that if someone jumps alongside you they may get an elbow. If they don't like it they should ban jumping for the ball. It's a nonsense penalty to me. But you have to use your leg to make tackles right? If you completely miss the ball and take the player out it's still a pen. Keepers have to use their arms to catch a ball, but if they miss it and wrap a player up it's still a penalty. If Lovren had won the ball in the air and still done it I don't think it was a pen. When the elbow making contact before the ball even arrives is what stops Shick winning a clean header I don't think there can be much argument. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said: But you have to use your leg to make tackles right? If you completely miss the ball and take the player out it's still a pen. Keepers have to use their arms to catch a ball, but if they miss it and wrap a player up it's still a penalty. If Lovren had won the ball in the air and still done it I don't think it was a pen. When the elbow making contact before the ball even arrives is what stops Shick winning a clean header I don't think there can be much argument. Well if I was a pro footballer I would spend every corner waiting for my marker to jump then just ensure my face was in the vicinity of his elbow. Easiest way to earn a penalty going of you don't mind a black eye or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, sidcow said: Well if I was a pro footballer I would spend every corner waiting for my marker to jump then just ensure my face was in the vicinity of his elbow. Easiest way to earn a penalty going of you don't mind a black eye or 2. If you stood and waited for your marker to jump you wouldn't be anywhere near winning the ball so the elbow wouldn't have impacted your goalscoring opportunity. Anyway, I'm not after a debate. We clearly see it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaAlex Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 If Schick had caught Lovren instead it would have been a freekick as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 It's not something you see that many penalties given for It would be a free kick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Another game where the quality in the final third has been poor, esepcially the shooting, so many tame shots straight at the keeper, or shots well wide or high. I've noticed the shooting from free kicks seems to be poor in this tournament as well, I'm starting to wonder if it's something to do with lighter balls being less easy to guide accurately as you would be able to with an heavier ball, although I don't if the balls are lighter than used to be or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Christ, Croatia are woeful- just shows what a crap performance by England was on Sunday. we should’ve demolished these. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: Anyway, I'm not after a debate. We clearly see it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, useless said: I don't if the balls are lighter than used to be or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, useless said: Another game where the quality in the final third has been poor, esepcially the shooting, so many tame shots straight at the keeper, or shots well wide or high. I've noticed the shooting from free kicks seems to be poor in this tournament as well, I'm starting to wonder if it's something to do with lighter balls being less easy to guide accurately as you would be able to with an heavier ball, although I don't if the balls are lighter than used to be or not. Same but for a different reason, in week 1 of the games I thought some of the keepers were absolutely belting the balls down the pitch But surely despite all the sponsorship deals and that nonsense the teams are training with the official ball?? And at the same time in same of thr games because of the lack of noise there's been a few times where I could hear players kicking the ball and thought it sounded heavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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