TheAuthority Posted May 29, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 29, 2021 Is Foden even on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, TheAuthority said: Neither of those things have any relevance to the point I was making or the original post I was responding to. Don’t think I agree. A precociously talented 21 year old won’t have the same stats over a season but over 3-6 games in a tournament you can make a clear case to have them in for those moments of magic. Same as I might have had Grealish in age 21 (when he was largely an inconsistent sub) rather than Lallana because his ceiling and potential gamechanging moments were higher. Sorry for not explaining in more depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Age is irrelevant when using stats to suggest which one starts in the euros though You can't compare 21 year old jack to 21 year old foden, that doesn't work, it's here and now and Jack's stats are better 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Players develop at different ages. Look at Vardy, his best years came between 28 and 34. Dele Ali he was a great talent at 19/20, now look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 On 29/05/2021 at 08:29, villa4europe said: Yep just the 4 Anwar didn't make the Dutch cut and after that we don't have many Europeans, we have sanson and engels, then it's south Americans and Africans Just realised Kalinic in the Croatia squad is of course still on our books as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 19 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Just realised Kalinic in the Croatia squad is of course still on our books as well. I dont think he made the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Zatman said: I dont think he made the squad Unless Hajduk Split have another Lovre Kalinic as a goalkeeper (which wouldn’t actually surprise me! Could be a very common name in Croatia for all I know!) he’s in the squad. Likely second choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Adam2003 said: Unless Hajduk Split have another Lovre Kalinic as a goalkeeper (which wouldn’t actually surprise me! Could be a very common name in Croatia for all I know!) he’s in the squad. Likely second choice. Cool, i saw a squad yesterday and the Luton keeper was in instead of Kalinic which is worrying enough. Good for him though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: Cool, i saw a squad yesterday and the Luton keeper was in instead of Kalinic which is worrying enough. Good for him though It’s the two of them and then the guy who I think is probably going to be first choice. Think the Luton chap is third choice. Kalinic seems to have played regularly for Hajduk Split since going there and they ended the season unbeaten in quite a few so hopefully he has form and confidence back and either comes back as a solid understudy or earns himself a move. If nothing else I’m guessing they’ll take him back on loan again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 11 hours ago, PaulC said: Players develop at different ages. Look at Vardy, his best years came between 28 and 34. Dele Ali he was a great talent at 19/20, now look at him. I would like to enforce a Godwinesque Law here. When anyone is making a point about a player, and uses Vardy as an example that backs up their point, it should be mandatory that a second example is offered, because Vardy is such a complete outlier. It is like me saying that everyone in my apartment block should invest all their money in doing the lotto because a guy in an apartment block nearby won it a few years ago. You may call the requirement to 'offer a second non-Vardy example', the Law of YLN. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, YLN said: I would like to enforce a Godwinesque Law here. When anyone is making a point about a player, and uses Vardy as an example that backs up their point, it should be mandatory that a second example is offered, because Vardy is such a complete outlier. It is like me saying that everyone in my apartment block should invest all their money in doing the lotto because a guy in an apartment block nearby won it a few years ago. You may call the requirement to 'offer a second non-Vardy example', the Law of YLN. Thank you Ian Wright maybe Kevin Phillips. If desperate can Throw you a Ricky Lambert or Grant Holt. Vardy is a rarity but its not uncommon Edited May 31, 2021 by Zatman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 15 hours ago, YLN said: I would like to enforce a Godwinesque Law here. When anyone is making a point about a player, and uses Vardy as an example that backs up their point, it should be mandatory that a second example is offered, because Vardy is such a complete outlier. It is like me saying that everyone in my apartment block should invest all their money in doing the lotto because a guy in an apartment block nearby won it a few years ago. You may call the requirement to 'offer a second non-Vardy example', the Law of YLN. Thank you Ok Peter Withe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Some rumours about that Greenwood and Watkins miss out. Not really surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: Some rumours about that Greenwood and Watkins miss out. Not really surprising. TAA and JWP too it seems. I reckon Ramsdale and two of the centre backs will complete the exodus. Most likely White and then one of Godfrey, Coady and Mings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 When is it announced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, PaulC said: When is it announced? tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaphan04 Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just did a little dive into the RB situation for England for the fun of it to see all the selection problems that Gareth has to face. In the Premier League this season 13 out of 20 teams had English right backs whom were starters (including Kyle Walker who has played around the back). Obviously some of them aren't going to be international quality, but having a position that full of talent without even looking at Max Aarons and Tripper. If James Justin hadn't done his ACL, he probably would've been in the squad conversation as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted May 31, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 31, 2021 Just now, Villaphan04 said: Just did a little dive into the RB situation for England for the fun of it to see all the selection problems that Gareth has to face. In the Premier League this season 13 out of 20 teams had English right backs whom were starters (including Kyle Walker who has played around the back). Obviously some of them aren't going to be international quality, but having a position that full of talent without even looking at Max Aarons and Tripper. If James Justin hadn't done his ACL, he probably would've been in the squad conversation as well A generation inspired by Gary Neville. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, Cizzler said: TAA and JWP too it seems. I reckon Ramsdale and two of the centre backs will complete the exodus. Most likely White and then one of Godfrey, Coady and Mings. Yes - surely Godfrey, since he hasn't been capped before. For all the media fuss about this, these look to be exactly the players you would have predicted would be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 You just know Southgate's going to start all of Maguire, Henderson, Sterling and Rashford for Croatia isn't he? Learnt nothing from previous tournaments of starting players on reputation (considering how bad Rashford and Sterling have been since Jan) and rushing back injured players.I can understand gamble with Maguire but Henderson not played since early Feb. Pretty certain the England 11 that starts first game will be completely different for the final game, whenever that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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