Keyblade Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Just now, foreveryoung said: For how long? I want progression season after season, don't we all?? Sure, but progression this season will still likely mean midtable. We finished 11th last year. Unless you're expecting European football, I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with being a midtable team for now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Just now, Keyblade said: Sure, but progression this season will still likely mean midtable. We finished 11th last year. Unless you're expecting European football, I don't see why you wouldn't be happy with being a midtable team for now. I want European football yes. I'm not happy with midtable mediocracy, who is? If we finish midtable it'll be unimpressive, not progression, but I won't be a bed wetter like DC describes some of his fellow fans. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: I want European football yes. I'm not happy with midtable mediocracy, who is? If we finish midtable it'll be unimpressive, not progression, but I won't be a bed wetter like DC describes some of his fellow fans. You want Europe when, now? That's incredibly unrealistic. If we finish 8th or 9th that's absolutely progression. 2 seasons ago we stayed in the division by 1 point. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: You want Europe when, now? That's incredibly unrealistic. If we finish 8th or 9th that's absolutely progression. 2 seasons ago we stayed in the division by 1 point. And have since then spent a quarter of a billion quid. I wouldn't be remotely happy with midtable, and neither I suspect, would the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Risso said: And have since then spent a quarter of a billion quid. I wouldn't be remotely happy with midtable, and neither I suspect, would the owners. There's also the small matter of selling our star player. No wonder on topic is unbearable after a loss, turns out people are expecting European football this season. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Keyblade said: There's also the small matter of selling our star player. No wonder on topic is unbearable after a loss, turns out people are expecting European football this season. It's not as though we are Southampton losing Ing's, we have replaced him with nearly 100m quid. When we are firing, we can beat almost anyone, Everton, Man U last week. Why should a European place be so unrealistic. Midtable will be a load of boring boll****s, we are better than that. Like has been said, the board will be wanting progression, not for us to stand still!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keyblade Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, foreveryoung said: It's not as though we are Southampton losing Ing's, we have replaced him with nearly 100m quid. When we are firing, we can beat almost anyone, Everton, Man U last week. Why should a European place be so unrealistic. Midtable will be a load of boring boll****s, we are better than that. Like has been said, the board will be wanting progression, not for us to stand still!! Finishing 7th-10th is not standing still. This is the PL, not the Championship. Breaking into that top 6 is incredibly difficult. To finish in the European places we have to finish above all of the following teams: Spurs (186) Arsenal (310m) Everton (450m) West Ham (217m) Leicester (261m) For perspective, I put the amount these teams have spent on their squads while we were starting Birkir Bjarnason and Albert Adomah in the Championship. We're playing catch-up. Even at their poorest (Spurs, Arsenal), it will still take some doing to finish above them. Looking at that, do you think it's realistic to expect us to finish above all of these clubs? 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: Finishing 7th-10th is not standing still. This is the PL, not the Championship. Breaking into that top 6 is incredibly difficult. To finish in the European places we have to finish above all of the following teams: Spurs (186) Arsenal (310m) Everton (450m) West Ham (217m) Leicester (261m) For perspective, I put the amount these teams have spent on their squads while we were starting Birkir Bjarnason and Albert Adomah in the Championship. We're playing catch-up. Even at their poorest (Spurs, Arsenal), it will still take some doing to finish above them. Looking at that, do you think it's realistic to expect us to finish above all of these clubs? The money is not the be and end it all, it's mainly about recruitment and we know ours has been very good. Do I expect to finish above those teams above? Not sure, but I believe we can beat them, an are no worse than any of them at this present time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Risso said: And have since then spent a quarter of a billion quid. I wouldn't be remotely happy with midtable, and neither I suspect, would the owners. Really isnt that much in the scheme of things. Not for Top 6 and any hope of Europe. The Top 6 spend that every 3 years on transfers/wages and they already had established Prem teams when we arrived from the Championship after finishing 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted October 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, foreveryoung said: The money is not the be and end it all, it's mainly about recruitment and we know ours has been very good. Do I expect to finish above those teams above? Not sure, but I believe we can beat them, an are no worse than any of them at this present time. Even if recruitment is good, you can't underestimate the change we've had in a very short time. From a one man team to a team. It'll take time, ans I'm sure our owners understand this and don't expect too much from this season. A repeat of 11th would be very acceptable. Next season is different though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) I posted in Wrong thread again. I wish you lot would stay on topic! Lol Edited October 4, 2021 by Vive_La_Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Keyblade said: There's also the small matter of selling our star player. No wonder on topic is unbearable after a loss, turns out people are expecting European football this season. The CEO, manager and players have also said that is the aim this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, jim said: The CEO, manager and players have also said that is the aim this season. Aim =/= expectation. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 hours ago, foreveryoung said: I want European football yes. I'm not happy with midtable mediocracy, who is? If we finish midtable it'll be unimpressive, not progression, but I won't be a bed wetter like DC describes some of his fellow fans. I am after watching Villa for the last decade or so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alreadyexists Posted October 5, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2021 Mid table in the premier league isn’t mediocrity to me. We’ve been down in the championship for three seasons, some teams have slid down to league 1. To me mid table in the premier league is being in the top 10 teams in the country, which when we were probably only just in the top 35 a few seasons ago feels like we’re making progress and back where we belong. To forge ahead to top 6 or 7 takes money, good investment, good leadership, and some luck. My point is people say ‘mid table mediocrity’ often and it does roll off the tongue, but we have to think what being mediocre really means in a football pyramid where two or three awful seasons and you really are down there in the middle. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post birdman Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, alreadyexists said: Mid table in the premier league isn’t mediocrity to me. We’ve been down in the championship for three seasons, some teams have slid down to league 1. To me mid table in the premier league is being in the top 10 teams in the country, which when we were probably only just in the top 35 a few seasons ago feels like we’re making progress and back where we belong. To forge ahead to top 6 or 7 takes money, good investment, good leadership, and some luck. My point is people say ‘mid table mediocrity’ often and it does roll off the tongue, but we have to think what being mediocre really means in a football pyramid where two or three awful seasons and you really are down there in the middle. Mediocrity is when you accept being average and stop trying to improve. We've been anything but under our new owners luckily. Whether you're at the bottom or top as long a club is givng it's fans something to cheer about and demonstrates effort and endeavour then you shouldn't really be accused of it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post briny_ear Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2021 Fascinating debate but why is it in the Buendia thread? 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted October 5, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, birdman said: Mediocrity is when you accept being average and stop trying to improve. We've been anything but under our new owners luckily. Whether you're at the bottom or top as long a club is givng it's fans something to cheer about and demonstrates effort and endeavour then you shouldn't really be accused of it. No that isn’t what mediocre means, it means average. We are far, far above average in the football league system. It doesn’t mean being content not to push on. (I agree we’ve been anything but though under these owners!) Edited October 5, 2021 by alreadyexists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aston_Villan4 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 People seem to be forgetting the transfer business last summer and how we are pretty much in the same place. Baileys been hurt, Ings is finding his footing and Buendia is struggling to get comfortable. So really, if this all continues a mid table finish is actually rather very positive consider what they are replacing. Other than that people just demand too much, too soon. They’re the same type of people that start calling for a coaches head the second a string of bad results occurs. Anyways, I’m still plenty hopeful for Buendia, he’s already show he can perform in this league with an awful Norwich team so there’s really no reason he can’t do it with a significantly more talented team at Villa. The pressure of being a record signing and no preseason has definitely knocked about his confidence but he’s started to look more promising over the last two games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Keyblade said: Spurs (186) Arsenal (310m) Everton (450m) West Ham (217m) Leicester (261m) For perspective, I put the amount these teams have spent on their squads while we were starting Birkir Bjarnason and Albert Adomah in the Championship. We're playing catch-up. Even at their poorest (Spurs, Arsenal), it will still take some doing to finish above them. Looking at that, do you think it's realistic to expect us to finish above all of these clubs? When I see it in that perspective, makes Levy look a bloody genius ! The Investors must love him. Edited October 5, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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