a m ole Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: You think Macron were shit, and Nike's deliveries were bad, Rangers had Castore shirts arriving in their club shop with Umbro backneck labels in. Their fans HATE the product. Superdry are absolutely on their arse, so there's no way they're getting near a Premier League club of our level. Uniqlo could afford it, but it doesn't suit their business model. Individual sports makes sense, but team sports would be a leap for them. Umbro wouldn't be able to afford us now either. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hummel have a go at getting back into Villa. They've got the ambition and they're growing as a brand. Castore seem like chancers who’ve bagged a Dragons Den style investment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyg Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Personally I don’t see the fuss with Adidas kits.... i would love Puma as the next designers. As for the comparison with kappa to macron!!! Chalk and cheese.... yeah I think the kappa home shirts have been a bit meh but still piss on macron designs IMO and the away shirts have been Ace... I have really liked all of them... especially the 3rd shirts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MotoMkali Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Jimmyg said: Personally I don’t see the fuss with Adidas kits.... i would love Puma as the next designers. As for the comparison with kappa to macron!!! Chalk and cheese.... yeah I think the kappa home shirts have been a bit meh but still piss on macron designs IMO and the away shirts have been Ace... I have really liked all of them... especially the 3rd shirts. I think it is likely we get adidas because Nassef is a large shareholder (like 15-20% which is the largest at the company) so he would have some sway when it comes to deals like that I imagine. Although it could also be a conflict of interest and he isn't allowed to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyg Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 7 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: I think it is likely we get adidas because Nassef is a large shareholder (like 15-20% which is the largest at the company) so he would have some sway when it comes to deals like that I imagine. Although it could also be a conflict of interest and he isn't allowed to do that. That’s the thing yeah, people are assuming that just because he is a major share holder that Adidas is a Shoe in... I’m not sure it’s that straight forward, I wouldn’t be that disappointed if it wasn’t as long as it is not a backward or side ways step....and we aren’t getting templates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jas10 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jimmyg said: Personally I don’t see the fuss with Adidas kits.... i would love Puma as the next designers. As for the comparison with kappa to macron!!! Chalk and cheese.... yeah I think the kappa home shirts have been a bit meh but still piss on macron designs IMO and the away shirts have been Ace... I have really liked all of them... especially the 3rd shirts. I would like Puma too… The main reason Adidas is being brought up is because it seems like a likely option, especially as Nassef has a stake in them… Kappa’s quality has been appalling imo, just take a look at our home kit in our first season back in the PL… Peeling and misalignment of the badge & text and logos has been a recurring issue too… many customers complaints and returns… Weird sleeves, dull, cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoganaldo said: (wrong lion though ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jas10 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Let’s be honest, Kappa have been shite. Will be good to see the back of them and actually have some quality kits, gear and merchandise… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hoganaldo said: @Teale's 'tache do you think you could replicate the Villa shirts but with the modern lion? Wondering if the home would look better with claret sleeves too… maybe too plain but could look smarter… blue “sleeve ends” instead would look good I think (like the Roma one). Thank you. Absolutely love these… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thabucks Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 But kappa do not produce the kits so quality issues are not down to them but fanatics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyg Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Jas10 said: Let’s be honest, Kappa have been shite. Will be good to see the back of them and actually have some quality kits, gear and merchandise… Can’t deny the quality issues as you have shown... but like it has been stated I don’t think that’s down to them but fanatics. I have a few kappa items and I haven’t had problems but that’s not to say they didn’t exist. I am more referring to the designs them selves I have liked them... and the training gear. One of the reasons the luke kit is so fondly remembered is because it was outside the box with its design.. not the standard and often demanded claret body blue sleeves...... I just really wish we would go out side the box more often as some of our finest shirt designs have been away from the norm and has produced some of our classics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 8 hours ago, Hoganaldo said: I love many of the Roma kits as they are pretty classy but these are more like polo shirts than football. Proper shit and the Villa mock ups above look horrendous imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NurembergVillan Posted July 16, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Jas10 said: Who would you prefer or think would be best? The thing with the bigger or more renowned manufacturers is that they can offer more lucrative deals as well as the superior build/material quality etc. Beyond the kits I can see other gear such as jackets and tees being more attractive & appealing and of a much higher quality too.. I think Kappa have been very poor, Macron were shite… I really have no qualms about going for the likes of Nike/Adidas/Puma… If the club desires it, could we not have more of an input on final designs? Something that could be brought up in fan meetings maybe… Hummel aren’t bad but I’m not a fan of the chevrons… Btw, what do you think of the Puma Italy kits? The green third kit is excellent imo… I'd prefer Hummel, from a purely design point of view. They do a great job, they genuinely care about every team they dress, and the Chief Brand Officer is a close friend of mine. He was my Marketing counterpart at Puma when we were doing all the Cameroon, Italy, Spurs, etc. He's a very smart guy with a strong belief in big ideas and innovation. I'd also be straight on the phone to him, begging him to let me design it! As a realist, I'd prefer whoever would offer us the most money. So long as they get the right shades of claret and blue and don't **** about with the home shirt too much, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Looking at it as a somewhat informed fan, we're in a funny spot where we're not going to get a megabucks deal like Utd, Liverpool etc. They sell millions of shirts worldwide and we just don't. An ideal partner would pay us a good sum of money, maybe incentivised on Euro qualification etc, but would help to position us as an attractive club from a brand POV. Back when Lerner bought the club, I created a presentation and arranged for it be sent to people in the club, that talked of positioning Villa as the quintessential English club. Historic ground opposite Aston Hall, the most England internationals, a lot of young English players, founders of league football. Just go out to the world as an international club that evokes the best qualities of "Englishness". It could be massive in Asia. Sadly, I never got a call back. If I were designing/marketing the kit now, that would still be how I'd approach it. In terms of fan input - I wouldn't be in favour, to be honest. If the club and brand are doing their job properly it wouldn't be needed. Plus, you'll always get differing opinions based on what individuals prefer. There's a saying in our industry - a camel is a racehorse designed by committee. Puma's kits - Italy home and third were great, all those one with the country name written on the front were shit. 9 hours ago, a m ole said: Castore seem like chancers who’ve bagged a Dragons Den style investment. It would be unprofessional of me to comment. On a separate note, I often find your posts to be perceptive and well informed. 12 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withes_shin Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 I'm too old to really worry about football shirt designs/looks now, let just say my first Vila shirt was an umbro classic with a home made No.9 stitched on the back so that I could be Andy Gray Anyhow NurembergVillan , I really do find your input on shirt design, why certain things will/won't work very insightful. It would also be great to have "one of our own" designing the club shirt. Good luck!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walmley_Villa Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Not fussed on Adidas personally as will always associate them with West Ham historically and I don't see what Adidas could do unique to us that they haven't for the Hammers? Is there any potential conflict of interest with Nasif's involvement? I think Hummel have done some great stuff lately for Everton so wouldn't surprise me if we had them back. Has anybody mentioned New Balance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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