Social media and villa players

[gaffer85]

Just seeing dougies post about the abuse he got for giving away the penalty against utd 

Just got me thinking about Anwar leaving social because of us fans

Is there anything we can do stop this as a group because this is not my Villa 

I always thought we were better than than the rest but it seems were just the same a the rest of the arseholes

[rodders0223]

It will never stop.

Players need to sod off the social media. It's all just a marketing tool anyway.

They get paid enough. Sack it off.

I'm not even famous and have zero social media presence. Not needed.

[nick76]

12 minutes ago, gaffer85 said:

Just seeing dougies post about the abuse he got for giving away the penalty against utd 

Just got me thinking about Anwar leaving social because of us fans

Is there anything we can do stop this as a group because this is not my Villa 

I always thought we were better than than the rest but it seems were just the same a the rest of the arseholes

The best we can do is lobby the social media platforms to some how moderate it.  It only has to be some idiots that tarnish it all and we can shout them down but it’s always after the fact.  We need social media platforms to help more in preventative measures.

Edited May 9, 2021 by nick76

[gaffer85]

3 minutes ago, rodders0223 said:

It will never stop.

Players need to sod off the social media. It's all just a marketing tool anyway.

They get paid enough. Sack it off.

I'm not even famous and have zero social media presence. Not needed.

It's not about the players leaving social media they should not have too 

It's about the people with no face online and no accountability 

[gaffer85]

4 minutes ago, nick76 said:

The best we can do is lobby the social media platforms to some how moderate it.  It only has to be some idiots that tarnish it all and we can shout them down but it’s always after the fact.  We need social media platforms to help more.

I agree but how do we do it maybe some from of protest where the genuine fans have a social media black out after a game no matter the result maybe it would allow the players to block the idiots

[nick76]

17 minutes ago, gaffer85 said:

I agree but how do we do it maybe some from of protest where the genuine fans have a social media black out after a game no matter the result maybe it would allow the players to block the idiots

I don’t think fans can do it alone because we can’t agree on anything plus in your scenario the victims are doing the work (victims being the players) plus you couldn’t catch all the idiots or the idiots will create other ids or do it via other social media platforms.  Social media platforms need to start using algorithms of some sort to stop hate speech.  Limpid on here uses something on here that you can’t use certain words and if you do it changes those words to less offensive wording.  Big powerful social media companies must be able to do something more sophisticated to prevent abuse, then logged and then assessed for further actions on the individual.  We need to lobby them.

[gaffer85]

12 minutes ago, nick76 said:

I don’t think fans can do it alone because we can’t agree on anything plus in your scenario the victims are doing the work (victims being the players) plus you couldn’t catch all the idiots or the idiots will create other ids or do it via other social media platforms.  Social media platforms need to start using algorithms of some sort to stop hate speech.  Limpid on here uses something on here that you can’t use certain words and if you do it changes those words to less offensive wording.  Big powerful social media companies must be able to do something more sophisticated to prevent abuse, then logged and then assessed for further actions on the individual.  We need to lobby them.

I know my idea wouldn't work I was just throwing something out there 

Just so disappointed in some of our fan base 

As you say only the social media company's can sort it but they won't 

[villalad21]

1 hour ago, gaffer85 said:

Just seeing dougies post about the abuse he got for giving away the penalty against utd 

Just got me thinking about Anwar leaving social because of us fans

Is there anything we can do stop this as a group because this is not my Villa 

I always thought we were better than than the rest but it seems were just the same a the rest of the arseholes

No it's nothing to do about it.

Sadly abuse is a part of human nature. There is no way around it.

Social media boycots however long they do it won't do anything.

Just have to report them or simply try to ignore them.

But it's important to remember the vast majority are not like that. Vocal minority.

[AvfcRigo82]

2 hours ago, rodders0223 said:

It will never stop.

Players need to sod off the social media. It's all just a marketing tool anyway.

They get paid enough. Sack it off.

I'm not even famous and have zero social media presence. Not needed.

I agree. I can't stand the bloody thing either.

As someone that's never been on any of these platforms, I just think they're more trouble than they are good.

I wouldn't be against seeing them abolished altogether imo.

[paul514]

2 hours ago, nick76 said:

The best we can do is lobby the social media platforms to some how moderate it.  It only has to be some idiots that tarnish it all and we can shout them down but it’s always after the fact.  We need social media platforms to help more in preventative measures.

That's just adding to free speech problems.

Rodders is right just sack off having an official social media account.

[dudevillaisnice]

Social media companies can do a lot more, monitor the monkey emoji for one from social media platforms (I’ve never had a reason to use it) and pending a algorithm review either ban or allow the account. Filter out the known racist words and automatic ban to the account from which they are sent. This is just scratching the surface, this isn’t tackling the abuse Jack got regarding his brother for example. The idea that the players just get off social media and it’s therefore not an issue is the equivalent of burying head in sand to me. 

[nick76]

10 hours ago, paul514 said:

That's just adding to free speech problems.

Rodders is right just sack off having an official social media account.

I’m all for free speech but hate speech has no place.

Why should a player not have a social media account?  They can make a lot of money from certain social media accounts.  In your answer to it the victim is impacted whereas the offender isn’t impacted which surely the wrong way around?!

[skarroki]

In order to stop it you need to put in preventative measures or do something that fundamentally changes how those platforms are used. Which would be a huge, difficult, expensive step and would need to be actioned / agreed worldwide, as in this example footballers are known internationally. How is anyone going to make that happen? 

It's all well and good saying that hate needs to stop online but it's not generated by the internet. It's the people behind the keyboard and always will be. Social media is the latest scapegoat.

If I was a player I would be posting the message I'd been sent along with a clear image of who posted it and their account details. Do that 10 times on your feed if you're a famous footballer and watch people sit up and take notice.

Make them accountable stop just telling us you've received abuse.

If you want people to be held accountable you have to do something to make it happen, posting a message saying "I've received abuse" doesn't get a reaction because we live in a society where anyone with any kind of fame is expected to receive abuse.  

[tomav84]

more pundits, players etc are doing it now...naming and shaming. if he is receiving abuse, he should screenshot and share it. someone, somewhere, might know them and start to educate them

[nick76]

27 minutes ago, skarroki said:

In order to stop it you need to put in preventative measures or do something that fundamentally changes how those platforms are used. Which would be a huge, difficult, expensive step and would need to be actioned / agreed worldwide, as in this example footballers are known internationally. How is anyone going to make that happen? 

But it’s not just football, it’s all major sports, celebrities, those with differing views.  How is going to change?  Easy...laws that make liable platforms for hate speech...platforms will soon make adjustments.  If a guest on a tv show spouts hate speech and the tv show airs it they are in trouble, you can see some major liable cases (not for hate speech but speech) in America at the moment.  Start having some laws on social media and things might change.

I mean not even going as far as liable laws we have simple rules on this website that don’t impact generally accepted free speech or other laws.  Certain words if written are replaced with non offensive wording.  When we quote, we have to quote and put a link to the website (something I have incurred warning for when I forget or do something late at night in the heat of debate) and there are various other rules we all adhere to.  Surely major social media platforms can start utilising simple preventive measures without impacting generally accepted free speech. Preventative has to be a better solution than after the fact.

Edited May 10, 2021 by nick76

[wilko154]

The easiest way to do this is to make people take accountability for their actions on social media. You do this by making everyone register their accounts against some form of ID verification. Any racist abuse, threatening abuse etc can then be linked to an individual.

The problem with social media such as Twitter is that people can hide behind account names that bear no resemblance to their real identities. It also gives license for people to say what they want in a manner that they can say things directly to people that they wouldn't dream of saying to a person face to face.

Social media is an absolute cess pit; both Twitter and Facebook are horrible places to look up opinions from fellow Aston Villa fans. If you search #avfc after a game you'll see some of the comments from supposed fans with absolutely no clue in what they are talking about. In the heat of the moment they also tweet out comments on players which are then read by them post game.

If anything needs to change it is the identification process for all accounts.

 

And for all I've written above, it's exactly why I love Villa Talk. Although some people disagree on subjects it's always through balanced debates; the comments from the majority on here are fair and we all seem to understand where the club is at any given time. If you disagree with that just take a look at Twitter or Facebook after a game.

 

[Herman22]

3 minutes ago, wilko154 said:

The easiest way to do this is to make people take accountability for their actions on social media. You do this by making everyone register their accounts against some form of ID verification. Any racist abuse, threatening abuse etc can then be linked to an individual.

The problem with social media such as Twitter is that people can hide behind account names that bear no resemblance to their real identities. It also gives license for people to say what they want in a manner that they can say things directly to people that they wouldn't dream of saying to a person face to face.

Social media is an absolute cess pit; both Twitter and Facebook are horrible places to look up opinions from fellow Aston Villa fans. If you search #avfc after a game you'll see some of the comments from supposed fans with absolutely no clue in what they are talking about. In the heat of the moment they also tweet out comments on players which are then read by them post game.

If anything needs to change it is the identification process for all accounts.

 

And for all I've written above, it's exactly why I love Villa Talk. Although some people disagree on subjects it's always through balanced debates; the comments from the majority on here are fair and we all seem to understand where the club is at any given time. If you disagree with that just take a look at Twitter or Facebook after a game.

 

This is 100% the answer. No one should be able to have an anonymous social media account because the main reason for this is to avoid accountability. 

But this raises another issue which is Twitter etc. holding a form of ID from millions of people. Imagine the damage that could be done if this was hacked/ leaked. And I have no faith in these social media companies to take care of data of this magnitude. 

[nick76]

1 minute ago, Herman22 said:

This is 100% the answer. No one should be able to have an anonymous social media account because the main reason for this is to avoid accountability. 

But this raises another issue which is Twitter etc. holding a form of ID from millions of people. Imagine the damage that could be done if this was hacked/ leaked. And I have no faith in these social media companies to take care of data of this magnitude. 

That’s why I would go down the route that Twitter (any social media platform) is liable for any content published on their website, they’d soon tidy up a bit.  It would mean we don’t need the ID which has problems, it would just require better preventative measures and better policing by Twitter of their content.  If extreme/fringe users then aren’t happy they can move their extreme fringe views to non-major platforms like Parlor and we can ignore and they (Parlor) can risk legal issues.

[wilko154]

29 minutes ago, Herman22 said:

This is 100% the answer. No one should be able to have an anonymous social media account because the main reason for this is to avoid accountability. 

But this raises another issue which is Twitter etc. holding a form of ID from millions of people. Imagine the damage that could be done if this was hacked/ leaked. And I have no faith in these social media companies to take care of data of this magnitude. 

Yeh I agree on the issue of holding the ID.

It possibly needs a 3rd party firm to manage that side of things on behalf of social media platforms. An added expense that they won't like; but with the money they are currently making and the damage that social media is causing it should be pushed on them by Governments.

Edited May 10, 2021 by wilko154

[Rich192]

The issue with making everyone have IDs on Twitter, is that it would affect the anonymity of people in genuinely oppressive countries across the world. A point I didn’t think of until I heard Richard Osman say it recently on Fighting Falk. 
 

I don’t know what the answer is. It’s shit. People are terrible, and now they can contact a celebrity from the safety of their own home and know that even for a second of that celebrity’s life, they were in their world.