dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 28 minutes ago, ender4 said: So what formation did Gerrard like to play at Rangers? 4-3-3 with a narrow front 3. Sorta like a christmas tree, I suppose you might call it a 4-3-2-1. Which probably suits us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) Targett’s position is in danger then, let’s be honest. He’s been the biggest drop in form of all the players sans-Grealish. If the full backs are important to provide all the width we need someone better. Edited November 11, 2021 by a m ole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: 4-3-3 with a narrow front 3. Sorta like a christmas tree, I suppose you might call it a 4-3-2-1. Which probably suits us. Sounds ideal for Buendia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messi11 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 where does Sanson play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2021 In terms of shape it's actually very similar to Dean Smith, which gives us a head start in terms of players understanding the system and knowing their roles. It'll be interesting to see the change to style that Gerrard will bring to that and how he can use small changes to make big differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted November 11, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted November 11, 2021 Just now, messi11 said: where does Sanson play? Bodymoor Heath. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Guess tomorrow training starts.. gives just over a week or so to really get ideas basic across etc. Reading upon his time in Scotland it looks like he valued a tight defence, hopefully we can get that sorted asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2021 I really think we could improve on our fitness levels, hopefully he will sort this especially to play the press he likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: In terms of shape it's actually very similar to Dean Smith, which gives us a head start in terms of players understanding the system and knowing their roles. Last season's Dean Smith shape or this season's Dean Smith shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, ender4 said: Last season's Dean Smith shape or this season's Dean Smith shape? I think the shape Smith would have preferred to play - although last season with options he often played Barkely in a 4-2-3-1. For the most part though, what it means is that for most of the team they're going to be in positions they have a familiarity with and some experience at - positions that they were bought to play in. That gives the manager a starting point. He'll need to strengthen and he'll have a style that's his own, but it'll be a help I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 11, 2021 Moderator Share Posted November 11, 2021 46 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: Guess tomorrow training starts.. gives just over a week or so to really get ideas basic across etc. Reading upon his time in Scotland it looks like he valued a tight defence, hopefully we can get that sorted asap. With the keeper, right back and one centre back away on international duty, I think it'll be difficult to get too much into them before the Brighton game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 11, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted November 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: With the keeper, right back and one centre back away on international duty, I think it'll be difficult to get too much into them before the Brighton game. Get the attack firing on all cylinders we do not have to worry about defence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: 4-3-3 with a narrow front 3. Sorta like a christmas tree, I suppose you might call it a 4-3-2-1. Which probably suits us. Sounds like the ideal formation for this time of year. I'm not sure about it in the long run though. Come January it could looking pretty dour with bits falling off it an so on. Anyway shit jokes out of the way. Sounds very Liverpool. It could be the perfect formation to get Buendia firing as well as Ollie and Ings playing together. Ings through the middle, Watkins and Buendia narrow on the left and right respectively. Targett will be in trouble though if he doesn't find some form. Although I would like to see a LB brought in during January to challenge him/let him regain his fitness and come back stronger. Edited November 11, 2021 by sparrow1988 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Targett will absolutely not be able to do the job needed in a narrow 4-3-3 where the fullbacks are expected to bomb forward and create opportunities and score. Cash might. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, sne said: Targett will absolutely not be able to do the job needed in a narrow 4-3-3 where the fullbacks are expected to bomb forward and create opportunities and score. Cash might. Exactly. From what I've read, Gerrard expected his fullbacks to bring the ball forward at Rangers...not that different than what Smith expected of them, and Targett has had a hard time with it without Grealish in front of him. I will be curious to see if Gerrard plays asymmetrically, giving Cash more freedom than Targett. After shoring up the defence, his next task will be figuring out the left side in general, not just Targett. Our attack is so right-sided. Watkins can play on the left but prefers the centre, Bailey can play on the left but prefers the right, Buendia drifts into the centre but prefers to do so from the right, Traore is exclusively right sided. Nobody wants to be on the left. I will be curious to see what he does with Ashley Young, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, TomC said: Exactly. From what I've read, Gerrard expected his fullbacks to bring the ball forward at Rangers...not that different than what Smith expected of them, and Targett has had a hard time with it without Grealish in front of him. I will be curious to see if Gerrard plays asymmetrically, giving Cash more freedom than Targett. After shoring up the defence, his next task will be figuring out the left side in general, not just Targett. Our attack is so right-sided. Watkins can play on the left but prefers the centre, Bailey can play on the left but prefers the right, Buendia drifts into the centre but prefers to do so from the right, Traore is exclusively right sided. Nobody wants to be on the left. I will be curious to see what he does with Ashley Young, too. Young will be his first choice left back until the transfer window I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomC Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 9 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: I think the shape Smith would have preferred to play - although last season with options he often played Barkely in a 4-2-3-1. Although Gerrard does prefer the 4-3-3, he sometimes uses the 4-2-3-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 12 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: 4-3-3 with a narrow front 3. Sorta like a christmas tree, I suppose you might call it a 4-3-2-1. Which probably suits us. he didnt just play that though afaik? Didnt he play a mix of 433, 4231 and the 4321 you mentioned? (depending on what was needed?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, MaVilla said: he didnt just play that though afaik? Didnt he play a mix of 433, 4231 and the 4321 you mentioned? (depending on what was needed?) From what I can tell they arrived at the 4-3-2-1 via a period of evolution. It was only really then where they finally learned how to break down the low block and the one they primarily utilised during the invincibles season and the start of this. Of course they may take a different approach at Villa. We will encounter the low block far less often, so perhaps they will want to play with more width, or perhaps incorporate a low block of our own at times and spring the counter. It'll be interesting to see how they adapt their style to suit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 12 hours ago, a m ole said: Targett’s position is in danger then, let’s be honest. He’s been the biggest drop in form of all the players sans-Grealish. If the full backs are important to provide all the width we need someone better. I think its a combination of his summer injury, the fact that Grealish doesn't cover in front of him and a collapse in confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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