VillaChris Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Think Everton is a good test. They've started well which they needed to under Benitez and already have look of solid well drilled team which they probably lacked under Ancelotti. However we've generally matched up very well v them since we came up. Should've got 6 points v them when we nearly got relegated and last season we battered them at Goodison and they couldn't handle Ollie at all so he's a key player on Saturday. We missed him in the 0-0 at VP but rarely looked like losing that. Think Ings has a good scoring record v them aswell. One change for me would be Bailey coming in for Axel but wouldn't shock me if we kept same team as started v Chelsea. Would be good to win as then I'd fancy us to get something v Spurs and then win a game or two in October and suddenly it's a pretty good start with potential to improve in winter. Lose and we're less than a point a game already with Man. United away up next so shows how quickly you can get trapped under water in premier league if you don't win enough games v bottom half teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 I think 3 5 2 and 4 3 3 are very similar in how the midfield three and the full backs play. Yes the full backs have more defensive needs in 4 3 3 than 3 5 2 but we would expect to play 4 3 3 at home to Everton and most teams. I think you drop Tuanzebe and Ings for Bailey and Buendia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sulberto21 Posted September 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 12/09/2021 at 20:24, villalad21 said: Where is our next win coming from? Either Villa Park or one of the away stadiums. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, romavillan said: We could go really balls out and play 3-5-2 with Bailey left and Buendia right of the 5 So the old 3-3-4 then? Love it Edited September 14, 2021 by Sulberto21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2021 One of the key takes from the weekend is that we have a system that contains both Ollie and Ings that can be effective. Just have to find a way to play Ollie Ings Bailey and Buendia together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted September 14, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted September 14, 2021 no way he will not play Ings or Watkins so interesting to see how it lines up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 23 hours ago, CVByrne said: I think 3 5 2 and 4 3 3 are very similar in how the midfield three and the full backs play. Yes the full backs have more defensive needs in 4 3 3 than 3 5 2 but we would expect to play 4 3 3 at home to Everton and most teams. I think you drop Tuanzebe and Ings for Bailey and Buendia. If Buendia was training this week I'm 100% sure that's what Smith would do. Not as certain with the Croatian mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 22 hours ago, Follyfoot said: no way he will not play Ings or Watkins so interesting to see how it lines up Probably play like we did first half of last season and playing Ings in that Barkley role. But then again how can you drop McGinn or Ramsey? That would be extremely harsh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Tomaszk said: If Buendia was training this week I'm 100% sure that's what Smith would do. Not as certain with the Croatian mess. Yeah might go with Ings Watkins Bailey as front three. JJ Luiz McGinn. Targett Mings Konsa Cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CVByrne Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 I can see why now it would have been a poor decision for the club to add another midfielder without one going out. I do feel if the club had managed to get James Ward Prowse then Douglas Luiz would have moved on. Sanson has a big challenge trying to push Ramsey out of the side now. It'll be interesting to see if Sanson is given any time in place of Luiz. McGinn I feel did a job last season he was asked to do by Smith, it was basically play in the double pivot with Luiz so Barkley could play as almost a second striker and have the freedom. This along with the lasting impact of his leg break on his fitness and the number of games he had to play was why he didn't have the best season. It looks like this summer he's got himself super fit and in a midfield 2 or in a 3 where Luiz is a single pivot he is excelling. I feel Smith wants his team to play like Liverpool 4 3 3. High pressing, a centre forward who initiates the press, wide forwards who get in behind and score. A midfield three with a single pivot/CDM and no '10'. Full backs who get forward on the overlap. All action team and then a bench that improves the team when they come on. To that he's adding tactical flexibility so we can set up different for certain games like we did at Chelsea and also so he can make tactical adjustments mid game and the players can respond to that. I see how Smith is copying a certain Eddie Jones and calling substitutes "finishers". I do wonder if he is telling certain players at half time, run your legs off for the next 20 mins and then you'll come off, you don't need to save any energy after 65 mins. This is commonplace in Rugby, the Props know they get 15 mins of 2nd half and then off. If Smith does this with the midfield as in he knows McGinn is a 90 mins player. He can tell his partner say JJ or Sanson or whomever, go all out and then you'll be coming off he's giving the player the knowledge to use all there energy with the press knowing they just have 20 mins of football. The second sub will be for an attacking player. A Bailey / Ings swap just changes totally what opponents need to defend against. Then the 3rd is your reserve to use in last 10 mins. I think this season is a free swing, we'll end mid table most likely but we can develop the style of play Smith wants to play and I hope come the last 10/15 games we see what the future holds. I think 2 signings next summer, a Nakamba replacement who is better than Luiz (if we can pull it off) and then the same as left back get permanent competition for Targett and again we should only aim to buy players who are better than the players we have. Sign Axel permanently too. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) On 14/09/2021 at 09:02, CVByrne said: I think 3 5 2 and 4 3 3 are very similar in how the midfield three and the full backs play. Yes the full backs have more defensive needs in 4 3 3 than 3 5 2 but we would expect to play 4 3 3 at home to Everton and most teams. I think you drop Tuanzebe and Ings for Bailey and Buendia. I think formations morph as the dynamics of the game change.....when players win /lose their duels, the overloads change. Formations are primarily for start up, as the initiative is established, the formation can change during the game, reflective of that. I think its more about getting the upperhand on your opposite number and if enough of us do that we secure the initiative and the game is there for winning. Edited September 16, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Be interesting to see how Dean fits in Buendia and Bailey into a 3 5 2 . One leftfield option would be Watkins Bailey McGinn ramsey luiz Buendia Cash Mings Konsa Tuanzebe Martinez I dont know why but i would just love to see McGinn at left wing back . Think he would kill it there now he is visibly fitter than before. Or maybe i have had one too many whiskeys this evening 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I think we will go back to a 4-3-3 Saturday, I feel the 5-3-2/3-5-2 was more about matching Chelsea up. I’m unsure that Targett and Cash have quite got enough going forward for it to become our new go to formation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Woody1000 said: I think we will go back to a 4-3-3 Saturday, I feel the 5-3-2/3-5-2 was more about matching Chelsea up. I’m unsure that Targett and Cash have quite got enough going forward for it to become our new go to formation. I agree with this. Cash I was hoping would improve the attacking side of his game but it just doesn't seem to be the case. Neither offers enough in an attacking sense for me at this moment in time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 5 2 is a formation for away to top 6 sides. It's not a formation we will play regularly. We've Watkins, Ings, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, El Ghazi, JPB as forwards that need to fit in. We could do a 3 4 1 2 with Buendia behind Ings Watkins but I don't see much benefit playing that if we're against a team playing with full backs and wide forwards. I see it as we've 6 midfielders to compete to fit into the midfield 3 and we've 7 forwards to compete for the front 3. 90% of the time the three substitutions we will make will be in the forwards and midfield so we have a lot of players getting game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspiration Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Woody1000 said: I think we will go back to a 4-3-3 Saturday, I feel the 5-3-2/3-5-2 was more about matching Chelsea up. I’m unsure that Targett and Cash have quite got enough going forward for it to become our new go to formation. Agree with the matching up but I think Everton went 5-2-3 with Calvert-Lewin out, might match up again with one of the midfield 3 dropping out and Bailey going in the narrow front 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Inspiration said: Agree with the matching up but I think Everton went 5-2-3 with Calvert-Lewin out, might match up again with one of the midfield 3 dropping out and Bailey going in the narrow front 3 If Everton go 3 4 3 (which is what 5 2 3 is) against us going 4 3 3 we'll dominate midfield and win on Sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, CVByrne said: If Everton go 3 4 3 (which is what 5 2 3 is) against us going 4 3 3 we'll dominate midfield and win on Sat. Rafa will change formation mid game if things are not working, did so against Burnley. Will be very difficult. Actually think Spurs will be an easier game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody1000 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, The Inspiration said: Agree with the matching up but I think Everton went 5-2-3 with Calvert-Lewin out, might match up again with one of the midfield 3 dropping out and Bailey going in the narrow front 3 I’m not so sure as with us being at home I would like to see us take the initiative, let them worry about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspiration Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, Woody1000 said: I’m not so sure as with us being at home I would like to see us take the initiative, let them worry about us. Yeah I agree, was just going down the matching up avenue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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