Awol Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I agree I think we don't want to set up with luxury players in midfield like we had with Barkley. Jack does his high pressing, Watkins obviously does as will Buendia. If we have a McGinn, Sanson, Luiz or new signing in the midfield 3 they will keep the press on when they don't have the ball. I'm sure this is how we will play most of our games next season when players are fit and in form. IF we add JWP to that line up it’s very very strong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa Gaffa Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 4 hours ago, KMitch said: As it stands now, I fully anticipate us to line up like this for most of the upcoming season, unless we sign another "Number 10" this summer. McGinn - Douglas Luiz - Sanson Buendia - Watkins - Grealish This is how I want us to start the season. Traore El Ghazi J Ramsey Nakamba Wesley Trezeguet Chukwuemeka and Philogene -Bidace and Barry still provide decent depth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biskitt Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 hours ago, KMitch said: As it stands now, I fully anticipate us to line up like this for most of the upcoming season, unless we sign another "Number 10" this summer. McGinn - Douglas Luiz - Sanson Buendia - Watkins - Grealish I'm with you on this but I also think they'll be games where we use 4-2-3-1 as well, maybe against some of the weaker teams where Jack or Emi could play as the number 10 and then Traore or AEG come in on either the right or left to give us more of a goal threat. Nice to have some good options! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 This is going to be an interesting thread if we don’t sign any new midfielders for next season. We have some decent players but none of them are top half premier league yet! As many have said we need pace, power and physicality. The second Stoke goal today was a classic example of one of the key reasons that Emi had to make so many saves last season. Parting of the Red Sea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 It’s the weakest area of the side and it needs fixing before the start of the season. Need two new players in there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: It’s the weakest area of the side and it needs fixing before the start of the season. Need two new players in there. We're not throwing in 2 brand new players in central mid. It will be Nakamba McGinn in a 4231 most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 57 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: We're not throwing in 2 brand new players in central mid. It will be Nakamba McGinn in a 4231 most likely Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: We're not throwing in 2 brand new players in central mid. It will be Nakamba McGinn in a 4231 most likely But we should... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, villa4europe said: But we should... Most teams don't introduce new CM pairing just before new season. It's madness. What's so bad about Nakamba? Was excellent end of last season against Spurs and Chelsea. Don't get the McGinn out brigade either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Most teams don't introduce new CM pairing just before new season. It's madness. What's so bad about Nakamba? Was excellent end of last season against Spurs and Chelsea. Don't get the McGinn out brigade either. Not out but mcginn shouldn't be aiming to start 38 games, mixture of he's not good enough and he's definitley not fit enough for it If you take sanson as one of thr new, or even chuk but we'd still need someone of better quality in there, it's a real weakness in the squad both attacking and defending, a midfield 3 of Nakamba, Luiz and McGinn isn't good enough 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Kiwivillan said: Most teams don't introduce new CM pairing just before new season. It's madness. What's so bad about Nakamba? Was excellent end of last season against Spurs and Chelsea. Don't get the McGinn out brigade either. We get waltzed through the middle too often. I don't want McGinn out, just not starting. He slows everything down too often, he's not very mobile, isn't really a defensive or attacking specialist. He's just... alright. Nakamba is not good enough to start either. He offers all the cons McGinn does except he does specialise in breaking up play. Both are good characters, add a bit of depth, but lack the quality to get us to the top 6 if they're starters. Proximity to the start of the season is no reason to stick with them if they're not of the required standard. We at least need a CDM as a priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mazrim said: We get waltzed through the middle too often. We won 7 drew 2 lost 3 with Barkley out. He was the problem lazy arse. Buendia 6th for tackles in Championship last season. Team is sum of all parts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Blaming it on Barkley is too simple, mcginn and Luiz were patchy at best last season, really poor at times, not convinced they work as a unit If you say villa are an inconsistent mid table team that need to find consistency to push on, which for me is exactly what we are, then you need to take out the 2 inconsistent players in the middle of the pitch for a start 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderball Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) I think McGinn-Nakamba-Sanson behind Grealish-Watkins-Buendia is solid and energetic, and improves us without much drama. Unlikely to start with that though as Sanson is injured. I am also unsure this is how Smith see’s it, I think he wants Buendia sitting centrally similar to a 10, with Jack left and [Bailey] to the right, so that suggests a DM (Nakamba for now) and an improved McGinn or fit Sanson in the centre of the park. I only see JWP in a similar position as McGinn, and not sure where that leaves McGinn Luiz and Sanson long term unless we intend to work with a bigger squad, which would be great. This is what surprises me as it would take £45m ish to land him, and can we justify that? Is he that much of an improvement (to benefit from his set pieces he has to be on the field all the time so he would surely displace McGinn long term)? Edited July 25, 2021 by thunderball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Afro Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 The biggest issue for me is how often they give the ball away needlessly. We are not always that great at winning the ball in the first place so then to just give it away is infuriating! McGinn and Luiz are both guilty of some shockingly poor passing at times. McGinn also gets dispossessed way too often whilst trying to arse his way out of trouble! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, thunderball said: I only see JWP in a similar position as McGinn, and not sure where that leaves McGinn Luiz and Sanson long term unless we intend to work with a bigger squad, which would be great. This is what surprises me as it would take £45m ish to land him It's not happening. Southampton journo works for Athletic said the link is "total bollocks" according to club sources like I suspected on here from the beginning mainly because he signed 5 year extension last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 From what I can tell having a quick look last season 4 times we played Nakamba McGinn in mid 2 pairing with Luiz not starting, we beat Arsenal and Leeds 1-0 and Spurs and Chelsea. The first 2 Barkley played and I've already said how Buendia is massive upgrade on Barkley. What's the problem based on those results? Is it because of meaningless Stoke friendly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Hate to break it to people but Sanson isn't starting the season. Are people happy with Nakamba, McGinn and Hourihane starting the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 25, 2021 Author Share Posted July 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lord Willard said: Hate to break it to people but Sanson isn't starting the season. Are people happy with Nakamba, McGinn and Hourihane starting the season? (a little harsh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Despite Kiwi's best efforts, I agree. Martinez faced a lot of shots last season and we rarely looked tight. Just signing Buendia isn't going to make all that difference and I don't think Barkley was really 'the problem'. We're supposed to be improving as a team and it's going to require investment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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