Summer transfer window 2021

[Jono62]

Read in that BM rag that an alternative is Belotti. Do they just put all the rumours from before in a hat and pick at random?

[brummybloke]

Would still want tammy here.

Ollie can still play upfront in a slightly deeper position instead of using an acm. Ollie peels off and works both sides of the pitch where tammy stays quite central. There is room for both in the same team, in fact both players would probably bounce off each other as there would be 2 players who can win the flick on or chase the flick on and if ollie does break out wide, he knows there will be a player either taking defenders away from him or taking up a goal scoring position.

Our high press will also be twice as effective as the last season as ollie has the energy to keep going and will put in challenges to win the ball back, something the loanee who has gone rarely if ever did. 

Wes unless a miracle happens won't be getting many if any minutes on a regular basis, neither will davis who I expect will be at forest or some other championship team next season.

 

[sidcow]

20 hours ago, a m ole said:

I’m playfully slighting the idea that a couple inches is such a huge advantage 

[VillanousOne]

1 minute ago, Zatman said:

Yeah but he is not coming back to Villa so irrelevant to bring him up. Not sure we even tried sign him last 2 seasons 

You have insider knowledge or just blind guessing? Tammy has no future at Chelsea and loved it at Villa.

It's hard to put transfer priorities into perspective as even for those making the decisions, what they want, want we need, what we can afford and what is available are rarely the same thing.

We have first team gaps such as (arguably) a specialist defensive midfielder and a more consistent left winger (for you Anwar haters).

but we chronically need someone who can deputise forGrealish when he is injured, especially if the shin issues are likely to reoccur.

But we also need another striker, as Olly will get injured or suspended, and Davies and Wes don't yet seem capable deputies, plus Dean has said he actually wants to play 442 and other formations, so signing someone like Tammy would make a lot of sense, plus Ollie won't rage quit if he has to play with another striker or out wide, only at Villa has he been the lone striker.

[GingerCollins29]

Just caught a bit of a mini documentary on youtube regarding the title and european cup winning team. Very tenuous, but still some similarities to us now...

A scottish midfielder signed from hibs

A marauding right back who used to play in midfield 

A tricky left winger signed from burnley (if rumours about mcneil are true)

 

[allani]

1 hour ago, DaveAV1 said:

With regards to Tammy, I can only see him coming if we have a plan to use him and Ollie in the same team, which probably means Ollie playing out wide. We’re not yet in a position to have £30/40m players as backups. 

Why not play Ollie in the Number 10 role?  Considering that we played Ross there this season - I don't see how Ollie doesn't bring more to the party / role.  He defenders better.  He's good on the ball.  His energy levels are higher.  He is better in the air.  He could switch positions easily / readily with Jack (assuming Jack starts in the wide left position).  I'd say that maybe his shooting from distance isn't quite as good - but when he came back into the team Ross barely had a shot anyway.  Maybe not quite so cute on the ball - but again after a promising start Ross gave the ball away too much anyway.  I think he'd be pretty good in a Teddy Sheringham style role with Tammy as his Shearer.  Easy to then switch to a more attacking 4-4-2 if needed too.  And plenty of scope for Ollie to get just as many scoring chances as he gets now with the opposition centre halves occupied with Tammy.  One of the issues from this season has been that when Ollie goes wide, quite often there is no-one in the centre ready for a quick ball, so he has to slow things down and wait for support to arrive.

[allani]

Plus if the Jack, Ollie, Tammy triangle works well then it gives them all a massive boost in terms of England prospects.  Obviously it is unlikely that Kane gets dropped any time soon - but being able to have an option that you know works at club level would be massively appealing to an attack minded England boss (so something needs to change there!).

[DaveAV1]

2 minutes ago, allani said:

Why not play Ollie in the Number 10 role?  Considering that we played Ross there this season - I don't see how Ollie doesn't bring more to the party / role.  He defenders better.  He's good on the ball.  His energy levels are higher.  He is better in the air.  He could switch positions easily / readily with Jack (assuming Jack starts in the wide left position).  I'd say that maybe his shooting from distance isn't quite as good - but when he came back into the team Ross barely had a shot anyway.  Maybe not quite so cute on the ball - but again after a promising start Ross gave the ball away too much anyway.  I think he'd be pretty good in a Teddy Sheringham style role with Tammy as his Shearer.  Easy to then switch to a more attacking 4-4-2 if needed too.  And plenty of scope for Ollie to get just as many scoring chances as he gets now with the opposition centre halves occupied with Tammy.  One of the issues from this season has been that when Ollie goes wide, quite often there is no-one in the centre ready for a quick ball, so he has to slow things down and wait for support to arrive.

Tammy and Ollie plus Jack and Buendia playing slightly wider starting positions but all with a license to room would be an incredibly fluid strike force. With the right two central midfielder it could be frightening for the opposition. If we don’t get the central midfielders right though it could be completely ineffective and we’d fail to control the game, not be able to release the strike force and get overwhelmed. 

[Kiwivillan]

Smith said emphatically Watkins is our main striker. We're not going in for Tammy but I guess we can look forward to months of speculation

[Kiwivillan]

Just now, DaveAV1 said:

Tammy and Ollie plus Jack and Buendia playing slightly wider starting positions but all with a license to room would be an incredibly fluid strike force. With the right two central midfielder it could be frightening for the opposition. If we don’t get the central midfielders right though it could be completely ineffective and we’d fail to control the game, not be able to release the strike force and get overwhelmed. 

That's a 442. We're not playing 442 and this is not just my opinion

[DaveAV1]

1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said:

That's a 442. We're not playing 442 and this is not just my opinion

Is it the coaching staffs opinion?

[Kiwivillan]

Just now, DaveAV1 said:

Is it the coaching staffs opinion?

Smith doesn't do 442 so yeah 

[allani]

1 minute ago, DaveAV1 said:

Tammy and Ollie plus Jack and Buendia playing slightly wider starting positions but all with a license to room would be an incredibly fluid strike force. With the right two central midfielder it could be frightening for the opposition. If we don’t get the central midfielders right though it could be completely ineffective and we’d fail to control the game, not be able to release the strike force and get overwhelmed. 

Agreed.  We really need a proper midfield warrior.  I think that a front 4 like that takes a load of pressure off the midfield pairing as well - certainly when we have the ball.  I think part of the problem when Jack is out is that we don't often have great movement up top (apart from Ollie).  Our wingers are not easy to hit and so at times I think Luiz wants to play a quick ball, sees that it isn't on and dwells, whilst McGinn instead keeps going for the chipped cross field ball that he usually underhits.  More movement up front and players that can hold the ball up when they receive (rather than just Jack) should help reduce some of those errors.  However, the McGinn / Luiz partnership doesn't work and I think we play one or other (most of the time).

[DaveAV1]

Just now, Kiwivillan said:

Smith doesn't do 442 so yeah 

Smith hasn’t done 442, he may with different players. We’re just looking at possibilities and talking bollocks. I’m not on the books at AVFC so don’t worry I’m not going to ruin our season. Unless of course you work for the press in which case this is all gospel and I fully expect to read it exclusively live and revealed on News Now in the next few hours. 

[VillaChris]

7 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

Smith doesn't do 442 so yeah 

Not as a starting formation but the Fulham game showed sometimes playing two upfront can get us results. In that game we were woeful for 70 minutes but looked very good when Davis came on so in terms of plan B two upfront with Jack in number 10 should be tried a bit more given we didn't get many points at all when losing in games last season.

Probably rules out a Tammy signing as he wouldn't go from Chelsea to bench warming somewhere else but we really need a backup striker DS will have confidence to put on at hour mark next season in games we're winning or losing.

Davis is still really a last resort option based on when he comes on. Wesley will be higher in pecking order but while it was good to see him make cameo subs didn't see a huge amount to suggest he'll be a huge threat in August, long road back for him.

[allani]

12 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

That's a 442. We're not playing 442 and this is not just my opinion

Or is it?  Maybe its a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-2-2-1-1.  Gives us at least 3 different plans without having to make a single substitution.  There is no way that Ollie can't play the role that Ross was supposed to play this season but with about 4 times the goal threat.

[Hank Scorpio]

Remember the days of Leon Hickman in the evening mail where they actually broke transfers and for the most part were not a bullshitting rag?

Those days are never coming back.

[Kiwivillan]

1 minute ago, allani said:

Or is it?  Maybe its a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-2-2-1-1.  Gives us at least 3 different plans without having to make a single substitution.  There is no way that Ollie can't play the role that Ross was supposed to play this season but with about 4 times the goal threat.

We're not getting Tammy. I'll refer to this post after window closes

[Kiwivillan]

We didn't get MacKenzie only to sign the laziest bollocks rumours like 30-40m McNeil and Abraham who don't even fit our system or upgrade on current 11. Buendia rumour is probably bollocks too but makes more sense if we did 1 marquee signing 

[allani]

Just now, Pissflaps said:

Remember the days of Leon Hickman in the evening mail where they actually broke transfers and for the most part were not a bullshitting rag?

Those days are never coming back.

They are shocking at the moment.  Villa to make £50m transfer next week.  Click.  According to Bob down the Black Horse, his mate reckons that what Villa should do is sign someone for £50m before the start of pre-season training.  When pressed neither Bob nor his mate knew which player that might be.  Indeed Bob thought that they were in the King's Head rather than the Black Horse because he bought the last pint and if they had moved pubs then it must have been his mate's round.