Popular Post TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) I know most of the speculation on here is for attacking players....and I am not about to kick a gift horse in the mouth. but the facts are we scored 55 goals during the season 3 behind Chelsea, who finished 4th, with all their fire power and Champions league finalists. The compilation of our goals is most encouraging.....absolute belters, this team is not shy of scoring good, well taken goals......missing our talisman for 12 games to boot. Our back 5 can defend too, so no complaints there......but Midfield, we are short of players who can control a game, stay on the ball, release it with aplomb, and direct proceedings....A player who can protect the back 4 as well as he can launch an attack. These players don't grow on trees......all the more reason why, it should be our priority. spot one, and make one( for the summer) offer they can't refuse. I think there will always be ONE occasion where you have to prize away that one player that transforms you, I think we have to do that. Many moons ago, I remember a player arriving who did just that, transformed us, raised the level, could play a ball and land it on a sixpence and could equally make a tackle Norman Hunter would be proud of, he had vision and a heart.....That player was Alex Cropley. Wish we could find a player like that( modern version of) for our midfield. Edited May 28, 2021 by TRO 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 48 minutes ago, Mark Albrighton said: Djemba-Djemba That’s the fella 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Giroud has already agreed terms with AC Milan. It was a done deal months ago, possible pending on if Milan had missed out on the CL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, TRO said: I know most of the speculation on here is for attacking players....and I am not about to kick a gift horse in the mouth. but the facts are we scored 55 goals during the season 3 behind Chelsea, who finished 4th, with all their fire power and Champions league finalists. The complilation of our goals is most encouraging.....absolute belters, this team is not shy of scoring good, well taken goals......missing our talisman for 12 games to boot. Our back 5 can defend too, so no complaints there......but Midfield, we are short of players who can control a game, stay on the ball, release it with aplomb, and direct proceedings....A player who can protect the back 4 as well as he can launch an attack. These players don't grow on trees......all th more reason why, it should be our priority. spot one, and make one offer they can't refuse. I think there will always be ONE occasion where you have to prize away that one player that transforms you, I think we have to do that. Many moons ago, I remember a player arriving who did just that, transformed us, raised the level, could play a ball and land it on a sixpence and could equally make a tackle Norman Hunter would be proud of, he had vision and a heart.....That player was Alex Cropley. Wish we could find a player like that( modern version of) for our midfield. Seems very likely Dougie will continue as a 6 next season. From project restart last season to Christmas/Jan this year he was superb in that role. Smith just needs to help him recapture his form in pre-season. Encouraged also by that link to Pape Sarr at Metz, only 18 and seems to be more in the mould of the destroyer type of DM you’re after. Would happily take him onboard as one for the future. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Awol said: Seems very likely Dougie will continue as a 6 next season. From project restart last season to Christmas/Jan this year he was superb in that role. Smith just needs to help him recapture his form in pre-season. Encouraged also by that link to Pape Sarr at Metz, only 18 and seems to be more in the mould of the destroyer type of DM you’re after. Would happily take him onboard as one for the future. I think you misread what I am after.....A destroyer is what we have in Marv.....I love Marv, but no sure he has enough to hurt teams, when he has won the ball. I get what you say with Dougie, and I want you to be right, but not sure he will reach the player, I am looking for.....fine going forward, really not sure about him without the ball....I think we surrender the midfield with him too easily. No its not what I am after at all....I want a player as I have described who can win a ball and scheme too.....a General....a Viera or a Roy Keane or a Declan Rice....perhaps they are a lofty ask, but that has to be the aim. someone who can control a game, not just a stopper, with no vision. I think Raiky could be one if we groomed him in that way....he is young enough to mould the way we want him.....he has all the basics, we just need to create the player we want.....just a bit early for him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 54 minutes ago, Don_Simon said: Picking a fight?! Sweet jesus. I disagreed with a comment, I commented on it. Is that not one of the purposes or a forum? I also agreed with a comment of yours, and commented on it. Take a breath my friend, its the weekend. Welcome to VT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, gwi1890 said: Eric who? Never heard of him....was he from the far east? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattVillaPortsmouth Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, TRO said: I think you misread what I am after.....A destroyer is what we have in Marv.....I love Marv, but no sure he has enough to hurt teams, when he has won the ball. I get what you say with Dougie, and I want you to be right, but not sure he will reach the player, I am looking for.....fine going forward, really not sure about him without the ball....I think we surrender the midfield with him too easily. No its not what I am after at all....I want a player as I have described who can win a ball and scheme too.....a General....a Viera or a Roy Keane or a Declan Rice....perhaps they are a lofty ask, but that has to be the aim. someone who can control a game, not just a stopper, with no vision. I think Raiky could be one if we groomed him in that way....he is young enough to mould the way we want him.....he has all the basics, we just need to create the player we want.....just a bit early for him. Couldn’t agree more, I would take just 1 signing this year as long it was this - don’t ask me who though, not sure they make them like viera/Keane anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRO said: Never heard of him....was he from the far east? Yes and no longer a spring chicken at 26 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, MattVillaPortsmouth said: Couldn’t agree more, I would take just 1 signing this year as long it was this - don’t ask me who though, not sure they make them like viera/Keane anymore They are out there....you just have to have a wider vision of world football than me. and more importantly, you have to be sure of the impact they will make.....I am 110% sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I've seen people mention buying 2 central midfielders (DMC and AMC) on here - don't think it's happening. Sanson has been purchased already to fill a role in the middle (poss the more attacking midfielder) and I think Chukwuemeka is going to be brought through as well. It would be nice to go for a more defensive player, though. I think we'll be looking for more creativity in the forward areas as we badly lacked it when Grealish was out injured. Makes sense that we're seeing links with Buendia, therefore. Wouldn't be surprised to see us make some defensive moves as well - LB and CB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: That’s the fella invented the double pivot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MattVillaPortsmouth said: Couldn’t agree more, I would take just 1 signing this year as long it was this - don’t ask me who though, not sure they make them like viera/Keane anymore A fit, Grealish-Watkins- Traore.......can be up there with the best on form....I am not saying, we don't need a striker, but the middle is where we need to Invest big, if we are intending to. its behind them we need class....we need to get the CDM-CM-CAM right, the right balance. Edited May 28, 2021 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, TRO said: Welcome to VT If we aren't going to sign another strong CM/CDM, I'd almost want to insist Marvellous plays ( As if Deano is listening to me. Lol ). No problem with Doug being in the side as a CM: Luiz/McGinn. Sanson/Ramsey Nakamba For example. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: If we aren't going to sign another strong CM/CDM, I'd almost want to insist Marvellous plays ( As if Deano is listening to me. Lol ). No problem with Doug being in the side as a CM: Luiz/McGinn. Sanson/Ramsey Nakamba For example. JV Nothing would please me more, than to see Dougie and Marv add the missing links to their game....but we can't hang around waiting for that to happen. They are squad players for me and the complete versions of a No 6 needs to be signed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, sne said: Giroud has already agreed terms with AC Milan. It was a done deal months ago, possible pending on if Milan had missed out on the CL. see, likes Spagetti more than a Balti. can't think of anything else it could be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Awol Posted May 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: If we aren't going to sign another strong CM/CDM, I'd almost want to insist Marvellous plays ( As if Deano is listening to me. Lol ). No problem with Doug being in the side as a CM: Luiz/McGinn. Sanson/Ramsey Nakamba For example. I think Ramsey needs a loan in the championship. He may well be good enough in future but I haven’t seen it from him yet. If he hadn’t come through the academy then there’s no way we’d be signing him from elsewhere to play in that role right now. That said, I think Chuk can be eased in without a loan because he’s on a different level to Jacob. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Awol said: I think Ramsey needs a loan in the championship. He may well be good enough in future but I haven’t seen it from him yet. If he hadn’t come through the academy then there’s no way we’d be signing him from elsewhere to play in that role right now. That said, I think Chuk can be eased in without a loan because he’s on a different level to Jacob. Important to remember how much players, and especially young players can develoo from one season. A player can look absolutely lost one season and look brilliant the next. I'm all for giving Ramsey a loan, but I wouldn't be surprised if looked the part next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, TRO said: I think you misread what I am after.....A destroyer is what we have in Marv.....I love Marv, but no sure he has enough to hurt teams, when he has won the ball. I get what you say with Dougie, and I want you to be right, but not sure he will reach the player, I am looking for.....fine going forward, really not sure about him without the ball....I think we surrender the midfield with him too easily. No its not what I am after at all....I want a player as I have described who can win a ball and scheme too.....a General....a Viera or a Roy Keane or a Declan Rice....perhaps they are a lofty ask, but that has to be the aim. someone who can control a game, not just a stopper, with no vision. I think Raiky could be one if we groomed him in that way....he is young enough to mould the way we want him.....he has all the basics, we just need to create the player we want.....just a bit early for him. Agree here, I would spend the max on this position, then work around that, it's that piece of the jigsaw that will transform us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 hours ago, MotoMkali said: 55-70k in wages I would imagine. Heaton was on 40k a week. And I don't think Taylor or Elmo would be on more than 5-10k a week in the championship. The only way it would be above that is if they had massive promotion kickers. We signed Taylor from a premier league club. Given he was with Swansea from about 2010 when they went up to premier league he obviously signed a few deals for them and full Welsh international so he'd have been on 30-40k there. 5-10k for those sorts would be about twenty years ago so shows how crazy football wages have got that for the three we've released I agree it would be closer to 100k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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