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Just now, Pissflaps said:

People expecting us to be spending £100m for a third summer in a row, after a season of huge losses are wrong. It will not happen. That is not sustainable spending. If we spend more then £50m to improve the first team that will be a huge surprise.

If we do that then we will be out of the hunt for Europe. This season is our chance to catch up to those lower Europe teams because they won't be spending too big either (except Leicester - soumare is an amazing signing). We desperately need to be investing heavily. I wouldn't be surprised by a 120 mil outlay on the first 11 and then some smaller signings as depth for defence. 

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Just now, MotoMkali said:

If we do that then we will be out of the hunt for Europe. This season is our chance to catch up to those lower Europe teams because they won't be spending too big either (except Leicester - soumare is an amazing signing). We desperately need to be investing heavily. I wouldn't be surprised by a 120 mil outlay on the first 11 and then some smaller signings as depth for defence. 

So where does that money come from and how do we account for it within the cheating racket that is FFP. There is no official announcement the rules have been or are to be relaxed. We just had a season with no fan income, had to pay more money out in rebates to the championship.

Unless you think we are immune to FFP and have a magic money tree. I am aware that we are now free of the 3 years FFP limit so the last season of the championship is no longer relevant, but simply looking at the accounts should tell you £100m spending is insane and not possible within the current rules.

 

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5 minutes ago, Pissflaps said:

People expecting us to be spending £100m for a third summer in a row, after a season of huge losses are wrong. It will not happen. That is not sustainable spending. If we spend more then £50m to improve the first team that will be a huge surprise.

 

3 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

If we do that then we will be out of the hunt for Europe. This season is our chance to catch up to those lower Europe teams because they won't be spending too big either (except Leicester - soumare is an amazing signing). We desperately need to be investing heavily. I wouldn't be surprised by a 120 mil outlay on the first 11 and then some smaller signings as depth for defence. 

Wouldn't surprise me either way, I've been joking of course when suggesting blasting the market again, honestly think though it will be very similar to last year, just a few less incoming. We have to replace Barkley, backup/upgrade/competition for Bertie, I'd love more rounded DM and we need a backup/competition LB. Possibly add a couple of prospects, then anything else would be replace like for like such as Engels.

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13 minutes ago, Pissflaps said:

People expecting us to be spending £100m for a third summer in a row, after a season of huge losses are wrong. It will not happen. That is not sustainable spending. If we spend more then £50m to improve the first team that will be a huge surprise.

I think you’re right. 

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That's interesting, 2 things spring to mind, that clip of Nassif looking up and saying the sky is the limit and the knowledge of how different we are without Jack, that gulf between finishing mid table of trying to get in to top 6 needs top quality players, whether that be improved existing ala Targett or spending dollars, I don't know, very interesting  summer.

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8 minutes ago, Awol said:

A few weeks ago someone posted the link to a great podcast by an academic football finance specialist. He explained the nuts and bolts of what Villa could theoretically spend last summer if we wanted to. Main takeaways were: i) a lot, lot more than people expected, ii) FFP is basically the Swiss cheese of financial regulation, to be manipulated and ignored as required. 

So long as the accountants can show it through the books, the club can claim to have lost whatever it wants as a result of the pandemic. This can then be used to defend transfer spending. 
 
The world isn’t short of creative accountants for those with the resources.

I also think you’re right. 

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3 minutes ago, Phil Silvers said:

That's interesting, 2 things spring to mind, that clip of Nassif looking up and saying the sky is the limit and the knowledge of how different we are without Jack, that gulf between finishing mid table of trying to get in to top 6 needs top quality players, whether that be improved existing ala Targett or spending dollars, I don't know, very interesting  summer.

Targett and Konsa are the best examples of good coaching, imo. If we can get the same degree of improvement from the likes of Luiz, Cash, even Ollie, we’ll be a force. add 2-3 top-class new signings on top and you could be looking at 6th or 7th next season. 

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4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I also think you’re right. 

I’m just repeating what some bloke on a pod said, but he said it convincingly. 
 

edit: have a listen:

https://m.soundcloud.com/jonnygouldfootball/ffp-professor-dave-jordan-is-back-with-his-analysis-of-our-financial-fortunes-dave-knows

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18 minutes ago, Pissflaps said:

Please explain, if I am misunderstanding the finances happy to be told I am talking shit!

I wouldn't be so rude... Pissflaps.

I think our spend will easily exceed 50m. We'll see. I think the landscape is changing regarding FFP, for instance. Our owners are nowhere near pulling the drawbridge up yet. On the contrary, now we look secure in the PL they will want to double down and push on. Its their stated aim.

Less players, not necessarily less investment. All my own opinion of course.

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14 minutes ago, Awol said:

A few weeks ago someone posted the link to a great podcast by an academic football finance specialist. He explained the nuts and bolts of what Villa could theoretically spend last summer if we wanted to. Main takeaways were: i) a lot, lot more than people expected, ii) FFP is basically the Swiss cheese of financial regulation, to be manipulated and ignored as required. 

So long as the accountants can show it through the books, the club can claim to have lost whatever it wants as a result of the pandemic. This can then be used to defend transfer spending. 
 
The world isn’t short of creative accountants for those with the resources.

I would love that to be true. My only concern is if we do this and come up short could we be left in a xia like financial meltdown again. Very worst case would be a sale of any valuable players I suppose.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Pissflaps said:

I would love that to be true. My only concern is if we do this and come up short could we be left in a xia like financial meltdown again. Very worst case would be a sale of any valuable players I suppose.

 

 

We’re in a vastly different situation now. Xia was a crook and a chancer who was spending money we didn’t have. These guys are light years away from him. The only restrictions I can see are FFP and since the likes of Man City and Chelsea have been laughing at it for years, I’d like to think that NSWE have read the same joke book. 
 

The teams that were desperate to join the ESL were Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U. Chelsea and City were never that bothered because their owners are dripping in money. That shouldn’t make a difference with FFP but for some reason it does. I don’t think NSWE would have got involved if they couldn’t see a way of joining the party. They’re not here to make the numbers up. 

Let’s buckle up and enjoy the ride. 

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12 minutes ago, Pissflaps said:

I would love that to be true. My only concern is if we do this and come up short could we be left in a xia like financial meltdown again. Very worst case would be a sale of any valuable players I suppose.

 

 

Yes, the thing to take in to consideration too is player values, they have mostly all gone up, they bought the club for peanuts, it's worth way more now, our prize money and tv money is up, with what's happening with ffp it's entirely possible that they could have another big spend window or 2.

On paper they have spent a lot but what they have is now way more valuable. 

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