Laughable Chimp Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, villaglint said: Can we all agree that McGinn and Luiz are both very very good players on their day but struggle to maintain that form over a full season. Both of them have showed that clearly over the last two seasons. More strength in depth will help that. Sanson is (hopefully) a part of that, an upgrade for Nakamba would hopefully be the other part. Yeah but that's not saying much. The vast majority of players will be very good on their day. The problem is how often these days actually are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Laughable Chimp said: Yeah but that's not saying much. The vast majority of players will be very good on their day. The problem is how often these days actually are. Yes agreed I think the consistency hasnt been good enough for either of them in the last two seasons. But it doesnt help that we don't have any adequate replacements. I think both have obviously suffered from tiredness at times through the season. At their best I think both are good enough for where we need to be at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, villaglint said: Yes agreed I think the consistency hasnt been good enough for either of them in the last two seasons. But it doesnt help that we don't have any adequate replacements. I think both have obviously suffered from tiredness at times through the season. At their best I think both are good enough for where we need to be at the moment. I agree with you but in a few games where we need to be shifts soon as season ends because we need to be making a run towards the top. Now to do that we should still keep the likes of Luiz, Mcginn, Ghazi, Trezegeut, they will do for next season and can be bench boys, we do need to go look for much better. I'd bring a new CDM, a much better attacking midfielder and a Winger into the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Surely there's no punishment any more for FFP breaches? I mean... points deductions, expulsion etc just punishes the fans. And we can't have that. Surely there'd be a riot inside Villa Park (though I'd like to think we are a class above that) or at the very least, chaining ourselves to the gates of the players' entrance. They could fine us 5% of our revenue... wag a finger and advise us to be more careful in the future. But essentially, what's happened to the ESL snakes in this country, surely now it's open season for our owners to go as big as they feel comfortable with? After all, it's not like we're trying to stop competition... we just want to join in the fun at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Raver50032 said: Surely there's no punishment any more for FFP breaches? I mean... points deductions, expulsion etc just punishes the fans. And we can't have that. Surely there'd be a riot inside Villa Park (though I'd like to think we are a class above that) or at the very least, chaining ourselves to the gates of the players' entrance. They could fine us 5% of our revenue... wag a finger and advise us to be more careful in the future. But essentially, what's happened to the ESL snakes in this country, surely now it's open season for our owners to go as big as they feel comfortable with? After all, it's not like we're trying to stop competition... we just want to join in the fun at the top. Still find it hard to believe that the FA and UEFA let them get clean away with it for the ESL stunt. Authorities here will look even worse if the Italian league apply sanctions - which I heard they’re going to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, Raver50032 said: Surely there's no punishment any more for FFP breaches? I mean... points deductions, expulsion etc just punishes the fans. And we can't have that. Surely there'd be a riot inside Villa Park (though I'd like to think we are a class above that) or at the very least, chaining ourselves to the gates of the players' entrance. They could fine us 5% of our revenue... wag a finger and advise us to be more careful in the future. But essentially, what's happened to the ESL snakes in this country, surely now it's open season for our owners to go as big as they feel comfortable with? After all, it's not like we're trying to stop competition... we just want to join in the fun at the top. To join in at the top we would need a referee bribe budget. Wonder if that would be tax deductable? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, HKP90 said: To join in at the top we would need a referee bribe budget. Wonder if that would be tax deductable? Expensed to Sky TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 12, 2021 39 minutes ago, Awol said: Still find it hard to believe that the FA and UEFA let them get clean away with it for the ESL stunt. Authorities here will look even worse if the Italian league apply sanctions - which I heard they’re going to. The Premier league hasn't yet announced any action has it? They're the one group with the potential to impose some sort of punishment on the six of its members in England that tried to cut the throats of the other fourteen. Does Mr Purslow have to do everything nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The Premier league hasn't yet announced any action has it? They're the one group with the potential to impose some sort of punishment on the six of its members in England that tried to cut the throats of the other fourteen. Does Mr Purslow have to do everything nowadays? The punishment will probably be that they will only be awarded 75% of the dodgy refereeing decisions that they are usually allocated next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The Premier league hasn't yet announced any action has it? They're the one group with the potential to impose some sort of punishment on the six of its members in England that tried to cut the throats of the other fourteen. Does Mr Purslow have to do everything nowadays? Punishing the Super Six in any meaningful way would require having to properly punish Manchester United. The Premier League hierarchy would never dream of doing that to their darling One. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 12, 2021 Moderator Share Posted May 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, est1874 said: The Premier League hierarchy would never dream of doing that to their darling One. The Premier league hierarchy is the twenty chairmen. Manchester United have the same number of votes in that structure as every other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Who in their right mind would think Maddison would come here from high flying Leicester? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raver50032 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, AV82 said: Who in their right mind would think Maddison would come here from high flying Leicester? Under normal circumstances, I would fully agree with you. Depends I guess on how much he would want to hang around with an alleged/rumoured situation between him and the manager. No guarantee that he will play in the big games etc. Doesn't matter what competition the Club is in, if he's not happy. But not seen anything concrete to suggest that he is unhappy. The bigger question is, do we really, really, really need to spend that kind of money it would probably take to bring him here? Probably better value out there, no matter how much we would/would not like to see it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 People are making the mistake of thinking that Maddison is some sort of Grealish level player, he's not, 'high flying Leicester' might not even want him much longer. Also they're a team we can look to overtake in the coming years, as football changes very very quickly, not so long ago Wolves looked way ahead of us for example, now you could say we're at least level with them, and have a good chance of finishing ahead of them in the league. Leicester look to have champions league football, but they had that not so long back and then a couple of seasons later were back to being a midtable team until Rodgers turned up. And again I think they're the kind of team that are a bad managerial appointment and maybe a bad transfer window away from going back to being a midtable team at best. All that's not to say I think we will sign Maddison, but I don't think him leaving them is as unlikely as some seem to think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villan_of_oz Posted May 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, AV82 said: Who in their right mind would think Maddison would come here from high flying Leicester? Who in their right mind would want Maddison, unless you're a casino... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: The Premier league hasn't yet announced any action has it? They're the one group with the potential to impose some sort of punishment on the six of its members in England that tried to cut the throats of the other fourteen. Does Mr Purslow have to do everything nowadays? Perhaps it’s being deferred until the closed season, but the window opens on 9th of June so any punishment needs agreed and implemented before then - not long. At the very least they should all get a 12 month transfer ban. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 35 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said: Who in their right mind would want Maddison, unless you're a casino... New villa transfer philosophy sign all of Jack’s mates 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrim Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I may as well expect the Commodore 64 in my loft to create Kelly Le Brock than expect the weasel 6 clubs to get any kind of punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 28 minutes ago, gwi1890 said: New villa transfer philosophy sign all of Jack’s mates Best friends with Mbappe and Haaland I heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, nick76 said: Best friends with Mbappe and Haaland I heard And Ross McCormack......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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