Popular Post Stevo985 Posted January 26, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Keepers also have it the other way. They can do anything to anyone in the air too. Ramsdale punching Engles in the face last year springs to mind. Yeah 100%. As above if anything it should be the opposite. Keepers should get less protection in the air, because they're usually not going head first when the ball is in the air and outfield players are. And on the ground they usually ARE going head first (well arms first but inevitably their head and body is down there) and outfield players are using their feet. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 25/01/2021 at 10:08, blunther said: This this this a thousand times. I've been saying it yet I get looked at like I have two heads for suggesting the game is corrupt. It's worth billions, with billions staked each week, almost exclusively sponsored by foreign bookies, and with governing bodies as bent as the PL, UEFA and FIFA and refs are paid a comparative pittance. Of COURSE corruption and match fixing is rife, it would be miraculous if it was otherwise. You'd need comparative pennies to buy a ref. £50k into a secret offshore bank account for chucking us a dodgy pen here, a dodgy offside decision there, of course it happens and of course they take it. VAR is just one more official that can be bought. VAR is probably the best one to buy off as it's so secretive and inscrutable. Nah we're an uncorruptable breed. We're English lions mate. Not like them foreigners - all on the take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Quote Manchester United get confirmation of 'wrong decisions' against Blades - Solskjaer The match delegate for Manchester United's 2-1 loss to Sheffield United said the hosts were on the wrong end of two key decisions, manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer revealed on Monday. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55893555 No doubt nothing would have been said if it was the other way around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 No impact on the game itself, but the penalty to Man Utd and red card for Bednarek last night is an absolutely disgraceful decision. Definitely did impact the game - the red card to David Luiz is an absolutely disgraceful decision. This is what VAR is for, surely? Overturn these **** travesties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Apparently i read that Luiz red card was officially the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Zatman said: Apparently i read that Luiz red card was officially the right decision. It's ridiculous. He makes no challenge at all, but the Wolves player kicks him when running through. If Luiz isn't there then he's getting a shot away/probably scoring, but it's just not even a challenge. How the hell can a red card be given?! I guess it's similar to the Martial incident. To sum up - Bednarek is coming across to make a challenge, Martial is expecting contact and starts to fall over. Bednarek pulls out of the challenge and Martial brushes his leg as he's falling over. Ludicrous that it's given as a penalty... BUT, as per the analysis on MOTD, apparently a red card is the correct decision because Bednarek didn't make an attempt to win the ball. If he'd actually dived to ground and slid in, it would've been a yellow. However, because he did literally nothing at all, a red card is correct. Leon Osman and Dion Dublin just sat there laughing. I mean, what the ****? Edited February 3, 2021 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Since he is not allowed referee our games I think Andre Marriner might be the best Premier League referee by default Note: he might actually be as bad as the rest just not **** us over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 In the defence of the David Luiz decision (and Bednarek) - the same thing happened with Pogba and our Luiz this season and that was given. A player running into the defender and winning a pen. In my eyes, that is not a penalty, but at least it is consistent with previous decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55922560 Quote Southampton have requested referee Mike Dean does not officiate their upcoming fixtures and will appeal the red card shown to defender Jan Bednarek in their 9-0 loss to Manchester United. When do we start talking about a crisis in officiating in the Premier league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted February 3, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zatman said: Apparently i read that Luiz red card was officially the right decision. Only in the same way that they claimed the Man City goal against us was the correct decision. The rule about red cards states: “Players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance will now be cautioned instead. But deliberate fouls will still incur a red card." Both incidents last night were accidental fouls (without getting into a debate whether they were fouls or dives or just contact), and so clearly shouldn't have been red cards. I'm not sure which part of the rules they've decided to interpret in order to justify the decisions, but once again they're clearly in the wrong. Edited February 3, 2021 by fightoffyour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55922560 When do we start talking about a crisis in officiating in the Premier league? I think it will take a big name to bring it up. The only top manager I could see ranting about it consistently is Jose and nobody really listens to him anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted February 3, 2021 Moderator Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: I think it will take a big name to bring it up. The only top manager I could see ranting about it consistently is Jose and nobody really listens to him anymore. it's interesting, they've also asked that Mason doesn't take any of their games in future either - there are only 19 referees in the Premier league group. If Southampton have this request granted, they're influencing the decisions on which officials they get, but if they don't then there could well be a natural bias from referee's who know Southampton have tried to have them removed. I can see other clubs having an opinion. Of the nineteen referees: Martin Atkinson Stuart Attwell Peter Bankes David Coote Mike Dean Darren England Kevin Friend Simon Hooper Rob Jones Chris Kavanagh Andy Madley Andre Marriner Lee Mason Jon Moss Michael Oliver Craig Pawson Graham Scott Anthony Taylor Paul Tierney I can honestly say that I don't trust three of them in terms of their integrity and their ability - it'd be lovely to not have those three referee Villa in future, but what happens when every club picks the same official they don't want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55922560 When do we start talking about a crisis in officiating in the Premier league? About 30 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I can honestly say that I don't trust three of them in terms of their integrity and their ability - it'd be lovely to not have those three referee Villa in future, but what happens when every club picks the same official they don't want? Dean, Friend and Moss? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: it's interesting, they've also asked that Mason doesn't take any of their games in future either - there are only 19 referees in the Premier league group. If Southampton have this request granted, they're influencing the decisions on which officials they get, but if they don't then there could well be a natural bias from referee's who know Southampton have tried to have them removed. I can see other clubs having an opinion. Of the nineteen referees: Martin Atkinson Stuart Attwell Peter Bankes David Coote Mike Dean Darren England Kevin Friend Simon Hooper Rob Jones Chris Kavanagh Andy Madley Andre Marriner Lee Mason Jon Moss Michael Oliver Craig Pawson Graham Scott Anthony Taylor Paul Tierney I can honestly say that I don't trust three of them in terms of their integrity and their ability - it'd be lovely to not have those three referee Villa in future, but what happens when every club picks the same official they don't want? IN Serie A around early 2000s a number of big clubs didnt want Collina refereeing the games and the league approved this. Wasnt long before the match fixing scandal actually happened I think the other issue is if Dean or Mason referee a Southampton game now they might also be influenced to help them with decisions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Michelsen said: Dean, Friend and Moss? Kiss Marry or Kill, Choose wisely? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 There isn't a day of Premier League games that happen now without some controversy. Its a farce and in some cases, looks corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-k Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Xela said: There isn't a day of Premier League games that happen now without some controversy. Its a farce and in some cases, looks corrupt. Exactly. Deano should get his fine money back because his guess was clearly correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted February 3, 2021 Author Share Posted February 3, 2021 To be fair to Southampton, I think we probably made the same request about Friend as we haven't had him since the Palace debacle. 2 hours ago, fightoffyour said: Only in the same way that they claimed the Man City goal against us was the correct decision. The rule about red cards states: “Players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance will now be cautioned instead. But deliberate fouls will still incur a red card." Both incidents last night were accidental fouls (without getting into a debate whether they were fouls or dives or just contact), and so clearly shouldn't have been red cards. I'm not sure which part of the rules they've decided to interpret in order to justify the decisions, but once again they're clearly in the wrong. They highlighted the bit about 'not playing the ball' completely omitting the 'accidental foul' bit. One of my (football savvy) mates from home said it was, until I pointed out the accidental foul bit. It's all a nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 How on earth can Bednarek get his red overturned but Luiz hasn't. It's like they try to make everything as controversial as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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