sidcow Posted November 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Chindie said: Some bits of North Wales views the South as not really Welsh, and some bits of the South view the North as weird backwards people who hate outsiders. There's even pejorative terms for the people either side of the divide. It's kinda hard to argue with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 2, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 On 01/11/2020 at 16:13, bickster said: 'Nun' would be the correct way surely? I've never really noticed anyone saying it 'non' Absolutely not. I'm with @Wainy316 - it's 'non'. Like @dAVe80, I've pretty much gone native in Yorkshire, and most of my Brummie accent has vanished. But there are a few surviving traces, and the 'non' thing is one of them. And it was only relatively recently that it even occurred to me that anybody would say 'nun' - when my missus 'corrected' me. I laughed back at her, assuming it was some weird South Devon quirk of hers, until I did a bit of research, and to my utter amazement, I found that 'nun' was so widespread as to be basically the standard. It still sounds utterly wrong (and affected) to me. None = 'non', and will ever remain so in my speech. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted November 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 I’d have thought however you pronounce it, people saying none as “nun” was reasonably well known because of the “nun of the above” gag you see at elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Absolutely not. I'm with @Wainy316 - it's 'non'. Like @dAVe80, I've pretty much gone native in Yorkshire, and most of my Brummie accent has vanished. But there are a few surviving traces, and the 'non' thing is one of them. And it was only relatively recently that it even occurred to me that anybody would say 'nun' - when my missus 'corrected' me. I laughed back at her, assuming it was some weird South Devon quirk of hers, until I did a bit of research, and to my utter amazement, I found that 'nun' was so widespread as to be basically the standard. It still sounds utterly wrong (and affected) to me. None = 'non', and will ever remain so in my speech. Methinks you've been consuming gravy with your fish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Absolutely not. I'm with @Wainy316 - it's 'non'. Like @dAVe80, I've pretty much gone native in Yorkshire, and most of my Brummie accent has vanished. But there are a few surviving traces, and the 'non' thing is one of them. And it was only relatively recently that it even occurred to me that anybody would say 'nun' - when my missus 'corrected' me. I laughed back at her, assuming it was some weird South Devon quirk of hers, until I did a bit of research, and to my utter amazement, I found that 'nun' was so widespread as to be basically the standard. It still sounds utterly wrong (and affected) to me. None = 'non', and will ever remain so in my speech. Do you not find the Yorkshire folk say ‘non’ too? Ones I know (majority from Bradford) tend to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Do you not find the Yorkshire folk say ‘non’ too? Ones I know (majority from Bradford) tend to. This is a county that pronounces couldn't as word removed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 2, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Do you not find the Yorkshire folk say ‘non’ too? Ones I know (majority from Bradford) tend to. TBH, I haven't noticed. I will listen out for it in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Oddly if I read ‘none of the above’, its non. If I was asked how many of something (as an example) I have, I say nun. Its weird if I read a question, mentally its non. If I verbally answer a question its nun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 Anyway, surely none should rhyme with gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Anyway, surely none should rhyme with gone. Why? neither rhyme with bone How do you pronounce done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 South Brum here. It's definitely nun for me. I reckon non would be more Black Country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, bickster said: Why? neither rhyme with bone How do you pronounce done? Fair point. What a stupid language we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 2, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 2, 2020 Non for me - born and raised in the badlands of central Birmingham. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 2, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Anyway, surely none should rhyme with gone. Exactly so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 2, 2020 Author VT Supporter Share Posted November 2, 2020 2 hours ago, sidcow said: South Brum here. It's definitely nun for me. I reckon non would be more Black Country? My Mom (must admit, I would say 'mum' nowadays) was born in Walsall and grew up in (shudder) Small Heath. Dunno if that would have been an influence. (My Dad was Merseyside Irish). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 On 02/11/2020 at 06:28, KenjiOgiwara said: Oi. I learned something. I thought IoM was closer to France. Isle of Man? Sorry, but when it is spoken slowly, it sounds a teensy bit gay. Just an observation. Nothing wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, AJ said: Isle of Man? Sorry, but when it is spoken slowly, it sounds a teensy bit gay. Just an observation. Nothing wrong with that. I always thought Genting sounds like some kind of male gay activity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 3, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 3, 2020 2 hours ago, AJ said: Isle of Man? Sorry, but when it is spoken slowly, it sounds a teensy bit gay. Just an observation. Nothing wrong with that. ironic really, being gay was still illegal until 1992 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted November 3, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said: That map will be a jumping off point for a few other bits of research - spoiler -starting with the Isle of Man as I type (did not know about the delay in abolishing the death penalty there, blimey). 21 minutes ago, bickster said: ironic really, being gay was still illegal until 1992 Jeeez, the Isle of Man has surprised me more times in the past 10 hours than it’s ever done previously. My only thought on it previously was “Hmmm, weird flag”. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 30 minutes ago, sidcow said: I always thought Genting sounds like some kind of male gay activity. My guess would have been something loose women get up to at fancy dos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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