sparrow1988 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Mjvilla said: 13 hours ago, VillaChris said: Southampton had a bad period after Koeman went. Carrillo as you mentioned. Also signed Elynoussi, Wesley Hoedt and Lemina for about 50m combined and all 3 are getting loaned out until contracts end. Also signed Angus Gunn for 15m and he's now at Stoke. Sofiane boufal £17m - released to angers on a free a couple of years later. Manolo gabbiadini £16m - terrible signing. But apart from those 7 players for over £100m, fantastic recruitment. Cheers. I couldn't remember them any of these off the top of my head but I knew they couldn't be nailing every transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) If Burnley manage to find some form and go on a decent run which they tend to do every season the relegation places may be over and dusted sooner than expected. It's already a 7 point gap from 15th to 18th Edited November 26, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Mjvilla said: Leicester - £30m Ayoze Perez (very average player, none of the fans want him playing) £13m Filip Benkovic (who?) £12m rachid ghezzal (who?) £22.5m Adrien (did he even play?) £13.5 Vicente Iborra (who?) £25m iheanacho - Is he a success? I wouldn't? When Vardy goes, they are still going to need to spend big on a striker. £28m Slimani - terrible signing £17.5m Ahmed Musa - terrible signing. £160m in 4 years on players that have barely played, have left, not good enough. But yeah, Leicester have fantastic recruitment. Any other clubs other than Southampton or Leicester have such fantastic recruitment that they can spunk over £100m on players that barely play? If we had spent this kind of money on players that completely fail last summer... We certainly wouldn't have been able to stay up. I'd say, given what we've done, that recruitment in the last couple of years has been amongst the best in the prem. How many signings since last summer can we say were a bust? Drinkwater Samatta Hause maybe? I'm struggling to think of anyone else. All the other signings are key players in our squad right now. In fact, Jack and John (and Mings, but we signed him permanently last summer) are the only players in our starting XI from the promotion season. That's 200m spent in those 3 windows, with about 13m looking to have been a waste. Not bad. If we were another team in the PL, people on here wouldn't stop talking about our recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 On 25/11/2020 at 18:44, gurru991 said: Leicester certainly made some expensive mistakes but their successes far outweigh their failures. European teams play a different style of football to the premier league & clubs have to take that into consideration. Silva & Slimani looked like world beaters in Portugal but were way too slow and lightweight in the prem. I think we have seen similar scenarios with Villa as well. When you bring in Watkins & Berkley you know they can play on a cold rainy night in Burnley while getting kicked all night long. good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 27, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted November 27, 2020 17 hours ago, Keyblade said: How many signings since last summer can we say were a bust? Drinkwater Samatta Hause maybe? I'm struggling to think of anyone else. All the other signings are key players in our squad right now. In fact, Jack and John (and Mings, but we signed him permanently last summer) are the only players in our starting XI from the promotion season. That's 200m spent in those 3 windows, with about 13m looking to have been a waste. Not bad. If we were another team in the PL, people on here wouldn't stop talking about our recruitment. hause is definitely not a bust...3m for who is our current 3rd choice CB is a bargain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) so, this is last season versus this season in terms of points progress. So basically, it took us until game week 19 last season, to surpass our current points (15) tally (after 8 games). if we had the same points tally this season after game week 8, as we did last season (8 points), we would currently be in 16th position. Edited November 27, 2020 by MaVilla 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Start good but recent form poor. Psychologically important game West Ham. Don't want to enter the looking glass and for our recent form to become the mirror reverse of our good start, one win in five and especically four defeats in five will be worrying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, MaVilla said: so, this is last season versus this season in terms of points progress. So basically, it took us until game week 19 last season, to surpass our current points (15) tally (after 8 games). if we had the same points tally this season after game week 8, as we did last season (8 points), we would currently be in 16th position. Love this. Keep tracking that. Great to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) On 26/11/2020 at 17:34, Keyblade said: How many signings since last summer can we say were a bust? Drinkwater Samatta Hause maybe? I'm struggling to think of anyone else. All the other signings are key players in our squad right now. In fact, Jack and John (and Mings, but we signed him permanently last summer) are the only players in our starting XI from the promotion season. That's 200m spent in those 3 windows, with about 13m looking to have been a waste. Not bad. If we were another team in the PL, people on here wouldn't stop talking about our recruitment. Hause was only about 3m which really is like a nominal fee now in premier league. As back up that's alright in my book as long as he's not starting 20 games a season! Probably disappoinment is Nakamba, 12m and just kicking around as back up when some were talking him up as potential of Kante. I still look at it as anything below 10m is more squad filler for us (Hause, Engels, Gulibert etc) but anything above that should be someone who can come in and improve first 11 as we've seen with Martinez and Cash in that 15m range so Nakamba not reached that level. Edited November 27, 2020 by VillaChris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlewis Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Wasn’t sure whether to post this but are we playing West Ham and Newcastle at the wrong time? be very frustrating to look back at that Brighton game after two draws or three losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 49 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Hause was only about 3m which really is like a nominal fee now in premier league. As back up that's alright in my book as long as he's not starting 20 games a season! Probably disappoinment is Nakamba, 12m and just kicking around as back up when some were talking him up as potential of Kante. I still look at it as anything below 10m is more squad filler for us (Hause, Engels, Gulibert etc) but anything above that should be someone who can come in and improve first 11 as we've seen with Martinez and Cash in that 15m range so Nakamba not reached that level. Unlucky for him that Douglas has locked down that DM spot. I imagine he would have seen a similar renaissance had he played in this more settled side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, Keyblade said: Unlucky for him that Douglas has locked down that DM spot. I imagine he would have seen a similar renaissance had he played in this more settled side. Not convinced. Dosen't read the game at all well compared to Doug and his passing range obviously not near that level. Given our home troubles though I wouldn't be against bringing him in to a double pivot as we really need to make it a bit harder for opposition to break through our lines. That said not sure any of Newcastle, Burnley or Palace will do that much so imagine DS will keep the shape as it is until 2021 hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Is the time finally up for Burnley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted November 28, 2020 Moderator Share Posted November 28, 2020 Next three for the bottom four after today are: Sheff Utd - Leicester, Southampton, Man Utd WBA - Palace, Newcastle, Man City Fulham - Leicester, Man City, Liverpool Burnley - Everton, Arsenal, Villa I can genuinely see those four teams getting no more than four to seven points between them from those twelve games - if it's four, then I think they'll be the only teams still in the relegation fight at Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: Next three for the bottom four after today are: Sheff Utd - Leicester, Southampton, Man Utd WBA - Palace, Newcastle, Man City Fulham - Leicester, Man City, Liverpool Burnley - Everton, Arsenal, Villa I can genuinely see those four teams getting no more than four to seven points between them from those four games - if it's four, then I think they'll be the only teams still in the relegation fight at Christmas. I think Leeds are going to be pretty fortunate this year that there are some god awful teams down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: Next three for the bottom four after today are: Sheff Utd - Leicester, Southampton, Man Utd WBA - Palace, Newcastle, Man City Fulham - Leicester, Man City, Liverpool Burnley - Everton, Arsenal, Villa I can genuinely see those four teams getting no more than four to seven points between them from those four games - if it's four, then I think they'll be the only teams still in the relegation fight at Christmas. I think West Brom have improved a bit in last few weeks, they've only lost to Man. United and West Brom by a goal each and had chances in both to take the lead. If they have any hope of staying they have to win tonight and then get probably another win from either Palace or Newcastle which I wouldn't say is impossible. Will be interesting watch tonight. Can't really see the logic of West Brom-Sheffield just playing out a tame draw even at this early stage of the season as they're hardly got any points on the board. Both have to go all out for the win. Edited November 28, 2020 by VillaChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Albion failing to win would be the best result for us, if that happens then as long as Leicester can beat Fulham tomorrow then we'll stay eleven points clear of safety no matter what happens on Monday, albeit I do believe that we need to get something from that regard less of what happens elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I wonder where SU would be with Henderson in goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Sheffield United looking very poor considering this should in theory have been a big chance for them to get their first win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Has any team ever started as bad as Sheffield United? 1 point from the opening 10 games is unfathomably bad. I'm convinced you could put a League 2 team in the PL and they'd get more points than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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