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I can't believe some people are calling him a luxury player - the guy is absolute class and the main reason (IMO) that we're such a potent attacking force this season.

Will he have bad games this season?  Yes, just like every other footballer.  Will he be crucial to us doing anything of note?  Absolutely.

I still can't fathom why Chelsea have loaned him out.  Incredible business for us.

 

 

(Weak foot volleyed cross on to Watkins' head for **** sake - just unfair on Arsenal.  Basic cheat mode was entered).

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9 hours ago, Thug said:

Exactly this.

He’s a big lad, but just doesn’t seem to get stuck in.  
 

He was superb today.  Against teams where the Opposition midfield isn’t harassing him, he can do this.

Hes the one player I don’t see press hard from the front.  Jack, Ollie, Trez, McGinn.. to a man are pressing hard whilst he sits off.  The press will not working unless every one does it.

The longer he spends in the team, the more he will pick this up, and I’m sure he will get fitter as a result.

Im very happy with him so far, but just needs that little bit more energy to push on to the next level.

Actually I think he presses better than Jack. Jack needs serious coaching when it comes to pressing. I do believe both of them can improve dramatically when it comes to pressing. We'd be a much better team then.

I remember one moment that epitomises Jack's pressing. Ball on the left side of the Arsenal penalty area with Holding. Ollie is closing down Holding. Bellerin runs past Jack to make himself available as Holding's got nowhere to go. Jack just stands and watches, when he should've blocked Bellerin off or been tight to him.

Pressing has to be done as a unit and the best teams are relentless with it. Jack's concentration without the ball is poor, and he needs drilling. Barkley is a little better but not much. Having said that Barkley was covering a lot more ground than Jack so it's not so easy to tight to players and close down.

Barkley had his best game for us last night. Definitely revels in the no10 role. The problem with this shape is it's great for counter attacking, but not many teams outside the top 6 will come at us and allow us to counter so prolifically. We need a plan B. Problem is with the pressing of Jack and Ross being rather hit and miss, it's hard to effectively play on the front foot. 

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Let's see how the season pans out and find out if he's available for transfer permanently.  Need to keep players of this calibre longer than 1 season. 

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11 minutes ago, bobzy said:

I can't believe some people are calling him a luxury player - the guy is absolute class and the main reason (IMO) that we're such a potent attacking force this season.

Will he have bad games this season?  Yes, just like every other footballer.  Will he be crucial to us doing anything of note?  Absolutely.

I still can't fathom why Chelsea have loaned him out.  Incredible business for us.

 

 

(Weak foot volleyed cross on to Watkins' head for **** sake - just unfair on Arsenal.  Basic cheat mode was entered).

Well Chelsea have Mount and Havertz. Both much younger but just as good. They don't need him. Mount and Havertz are both better long term. Barkley is quality, but for me he isn't top tier, he is slighty off that. This is why he is great for us. He's way better than almost any other player we could have signed, but not quite good enough for most top sides.

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I'm not one to gloat... :lol: ...but on February 27th in the transfer thread I called for us to sign him as a Grealish replacement if Jack was sold.

Two excellent football brains in @VillaChris and @Danny_Villaman84 liked that post. 

:hooray:

Spoiler

Admittedly he hasn't been signed as a Grealish replacement, but there were a number of negative comments towards Ross 'likes a drink/ what happened to our no dickheads policy/ he's finished' Barkley around that time. So I'm going to blow this trumpet :D

 

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36 minutes ago, Philosopher said:

Actually I think he presses better than Jack. Jack needs serious coaching when it comes to pressing. I do believe both of them can improve dramatically when it comes to pressing. We'd be a much better team then.

I remember one moment that epitomises Jack's pressing. Ball on the left side of the Arsenal penalty area with Holding. Ollie is closing down Holding. Bellerin runs past Jack to make himself available as Holding's got nowhere to go. Jack just stands and watches, when he should've blocked Bellerin off or been tight to him.

Pressing has to be done as a unit and the best teams are relentless with it. Jack's concentration without the ball is poor, and he needs drilling. Barkley is a little better but not much. Having said that Barkley was covering a lot more ground than Jack so it's not so easy to tight to players and close down.

Barkley had his best game for us last night. Definitely revels in the no10 role. The problem with this shape is it's great for counter attacking, but not many teams outside the top 6 will come at us and allow us to counter so prolifically. We need a plan B. Problem is with the pressing of Jack and Ross being rather hit and miss, it's hard to effectively play on the front foot. 

Jack actually runs backwards and provides a bit of cover for Targett even if he isn't great at tackling or blocking.

Ross is class, but a lot of the second half he was barely jogging when not on the ball and making no attempt to track anyone, now maybe that is the role he is playing and doesn't need to, maybe it is a fitness thing, but there will be times where we are getting over run that we need every player pressing hard.

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10 hours ago, Thug said:

Exactly this.

He’s a big lad, but just doesn’t seem to get stuck in.  
 

He was superb today.  Against teams where the Opposition midfield isn’t harassing him, he can do this.

Hes the one player I don’t see press hard from the front.  Jack, Ollie, Trez, McGinn.. to a man are pressing hard whilst he sits off.  The press will not working unless every one does it.

The longer he spends in the team, the more he will pick this up, and I’m sure he will get fitter as a result.

Im very happy with him so far, but just needs that little bit more energy to push on to the next level.

Not picking on your post as plenty of people have said the same.  Just using it as a reference point.

I can see what everyone's saying, but part of me is wondering if this is tactical.  Having everyone press is effective, but we've often found there's no out ball when we win it back.

Could it be that Ross' job is more about covering passing lanes and being available when we nick the ball?  He's strong enough to hold off the press, and skilful / visionary enough to to release our players as they break.

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5 minutes ago, VillanousOne said:

Jack actually runs backwards and provides a bit of cover for Targett even if he isn't great at tackling or blocking.

Ross is class, but a lot of the second half he was barely jogging when not on the ball and making no attempt to track anyone, now maybe that is the role he is playing and doesn't need to, maybe it is a fitness thing, but there will be times where we are getting over run that we need every player pressing hard.

Well Jack doesn't get back anywhere near he did last season. There has been a tactical move to have him as the second furthest forward player in the team.

When you get overrun it's because your press is porous. If your press is broken through you have to get back into position closing down in those situations makes it worse not better.

What's need is to have your attackers well drilled and organised in the press, they all press together. The effectiveness of the press is severely debilitated if just one player isn't doing their job properly.

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1 hour ago, Philosopher said:

Well Chelsea have Mount and Havertz. Both much younger but just as good. They don't need him. Mount and Havertz are both better long term. Barkley is quality, but for me he isn't top tier, he is slighty off that. This is why he is great for us. He's way better than almost any other player we could have signed, but not quite good enough for most top sides.

Chelsea signed barkley, drinkwater and bakayoko all in the same season as well as zappacosta, emerson and Morata, **** knows what that was all about but its safe to say none of their faces fit there, didn't get many games and played out of position, not been a happy couple of years really

I think he now comes to us, gets shown some love, fits like a glove to grealish and McGinn and the confidence comes back and the performances get dragged back up, we're doing well as a team and he's riding it

havertz long term will be better, he's a great signing with bags of potential, top 10 midfielder in the world type potential

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The vision of some of Ross’s passes yesterday was sublime. We scored a couple of goals on the break, but also showed great patience on the edge of the box for the first. RB and Jack give us the ability to exert pressure in those areas because they are both so great on the ball and can recycle it effectively.

I’m delighted we have Ross, I think he was the missing piece in midfield we weren’t sure we needed.

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4 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

I rate him. Quality footballer, but I can't for my life understand why he is taking corners. Firstly he is one of our tallest players. Get him in the box. Secondly his corners are largely awful. 

Yes, should be positioned on edge of the box ready for clearances given he's good at long range shots. Think we're missing a trick there. I'd have Jack on all the set pieces.

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11 minutes ago, VillaChris said:

Yes, should be positioned on edge of the box ready for clearances given he's good at long range shots. Think we're missing a trick there. I'd have Jack on all the set pieces.

I'd leave Jack where he is. He's going to score another ridiculous volley from a corner. Perhaps Luiz to take the corners?

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40 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

I rate him. Quality footballer, but I can't for my life understand why he is taking corners. Firstly he is one of our tallest players. Get him in the box. Secondly his corners are largely awful. 

Jack and John both can hit a mean volley off a cleared header. John has already scored one like that and Jack should have had one yesterday. 

Cash could probably take them from the left but we use his pace to cover as last man. 

By the process of elimination Ross is the best choice. 

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2 hours ago, Rob182 said:

I'm not one to gloat... :lol: ...but on February 27th in the transfer thread I called for us to sign him as a Grealish replacement if Jack was sold.

Two excellent football brains in @VillaChris and @Danny_Villaman84 liked that post. 

:hooray:

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Admittedly he hasn't been signed as a Grealish replacement, but there were a number of negative comments towards Ross 'likes a drink/ what happened to our no dickheads policy/ he's finished' Barkley around that time. So I'm going to blow this trumpet :D

 

Thank you but be fair if Barkley comes there and could he work well El Ghazi or Treg? without Grealish No I don't think so.

 as I got a soft spot for Barkley as He is a very good footballer as I got half family is who support Everton - I follow them occasion as banter and watch with family. even I want him to come there regard as hope see this player back the best.

I have been mentioned him and on that time they shot me down and laugh at my face as I told them he is actually very good footballer, they say no way Grealish better than him, in Attack Midfield (Centre) roles, which I repeat say I prefer him, Barkley as it is more specialist roles over Grealish even obviously I know Grealish is a most talented player and skill better than Barkley. I often say I prefer Grealish play Left / Right side over centre give him more area to roam that Central as he could limit space to dribble or move around in centre regular.

Also, I told them, this forum; he is better central playmaker over Grealish, that why I prefer him to play England Centre Playmaker - it is was 1 or 2 Years ago (I think last years). Latest his performance proof me was right on. Even Bonus that he work with Grealish is out of the world and magical, enjoy watched this even with Aston Villa make it become a so more special  But be fair on them also Chelsea fan think he is not great for Chelsea and occasion England they are not wrong.

The real 4 reasons as chemistry and understanding, style, tactical is not suiting him Chelsea and England until he moves to Aston Villa. he performance exactly the same 4 reasons. When he was in Everton; he has 4 Reason he was the best player for Everton. Which I am happy to see this as hate see waste talent player in the wrong club- for example, Jack Rodwell - he is flop player now as he got no 4 important reason in other clubs.

If we play Barkley and Grealish in England will still same as Aston Villa (minus style - (deffo not Southgate) depend on the manager - if the good manager will see this and play this) if both carry great form and understand on like this will greatly advantage for England, Mount can play as McGinn Roles? also Winks or Henderson, Ward Prowse? and Phillips as Luiz Roles. Even Targett as Left back 😉  Remember England use be great as play club who use with like G.Neville and Beckham, Scholes, even Frediand with Neville. That is what will make England great again as 4 Reason will be better team to play. Lampard and Gerrard is cause mess when Scholes would solve the problem.

Bonus Maddison to challenge Barkley it is very healthy competition in England. 

anyway..

Be fair on them who laugh at my statement, they got own opinion and different perspective as all people have preferred style and tactical, type attack and Defence it is health really opinion. hat off to them.

Question; which Grealish talent will win over in Centre or Side of the Pitch? 

The answers are a side of the pitch.

Even better play him as a flank and a free role into the centre area with suspire and unexpected with Grift and vision could rip the holes occasion more than he starts in Centre Midfield.

why I think this? my Answer is as space cos he holds ball bit too long, on side of the pitch is a different story in between both Centre and Side.

in Flank can chance to make the set-piece to repeat threat, via Corner or Free Kick, Throw in even long shot, cross or pass in, dribble beat the player combined with another player like Barkley or Targett can make it keep going attack? Also with his change the pace with ball is the important ability in a winger to beat the player.

he is damn fast and I don't understand why Southgate say he not fast yet he is so wrong and he should have play him, far better that Sterling and Sancho, only both is good is runner and pace to beat player it is Southgate, he is crazy fast with glue ball to his feet even slow he make sure to win foul or wait right time to pass also he can do runner as liverpool proof he can play runner roles.

or Centre area he could win a free-kick and long shot, pass it is would work effectively if get quick ball 1-2-1 or quick motion, quick dribble to penetrate that why Barkley better in this compare to Grealish, that reason is Ball hold in the centre area will cause opponent more organise defend to against and force hard to penetrate to switch side or pass backwards that reason I prefer he play in Flank, Jack will get lost ball come from behind him as side he will more alert around and better protection ball.

P.s. I would love to find someone left foot Grealish in Right side with Combined Cash and Barkley - will make more lethal - I hope Traore can do it. No offence Treg, he is brilliant for us, he is our "Mane" I would love other Treg (left foot) with a better option in tactical and squad - Depend on who we facing.

P.P.S sorry for long post 😉 that my opinion.

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