danceoftheshamen Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I was actually quite shocked at how poor and unfit he looked on Sunday. I have to say it was just like watching Danny Drinkwater last season and that's a shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I don't think he should start another game for us, enough is enough. Ramsey or Sanson please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 22, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 22, 2021 My prediction is that he'll be dropped for the Leeds game and then, when the result is as poor without him, he'll get another shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, useless said: .....but he has played well for us, so no reason why he can't get back to that level of performance at some point. Objectively, when was this? Specifically which matches... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, jimmygreaves said: Objectively, when was this? Specifically which matches... Before he got injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I love it that within about 3 months everyone has gone from sign him up to send him back, he is a useless carthorse. And don't give me any revisionist rubbish, virtually everybody thought it was a blinding signing in September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, lexicon said: Before he got injured? Ok.... In which games did he play well? Liverpool Leicester Leeds Southampton Arsenal ....then got injured and had been poor ever since. I'd argue he played well in one of those matches listed above. Why is this guy given so much leeway? People are still saying stuff like "he needs to get fit". He's just not good enough and I don't think he ever has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Thug said: Here’s the misconception. He’s still exactly the player he was. If you go read the posts about him on toffeeweb Everton forums.. they had the exact same criticisms 4 years ago. Then he moved to chelsea, and the same criticisms there. And now at villa... https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/16-17/comment/fanscomment/33578.html wow, that article is absolutely spot on...... Even the fan posts below the article tell a story of exactly what we are seeing now. Edited February 22, 2021 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: I love it that within about 3 months everyone has gone from sign him up to send him back, he is a useless carthorse. And don't give me any revisionist rubbish, virtually everybody thought it was a blinding signing in September. 100% great signing and first couple of matches he seemed to slot right in, we appeared to be fitter and faster, way more offensive but his form has been poor and a couple of others too have dropped, we now look half the team we were, so there's no issue with it looking like a good move that just isn't working out, sometimes they just don't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: I love it that within about 3 months everyone has gone from sign him up to send him back, he is a useless carthorse. And don't give me any revisionist rubbish, virtually everybody thought it was a blinding signing in September. he was a blinding signing in the summer, no doubt, his ability on paper linked with the statement of intent to sign a player of his talent was a big thing for us, and still is to be honest (on paper). the fact is though, that needed to transfer to the pitch, it clearly hasnt worked on the pitch, at all. the article linked by Thug above sums it all up tbh, its exactly right, and was written 5 years ago. Ross Barkley – Have we really got a diamond? https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/16-17/comment/fanscomment/33578.html Edited February 22, 2021 by MaVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
est1874 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: I love it that within about 3 months everyone has gone from sign him up to send him back, he is a useless carthorse. And don't give me any revisionist rubbish, virtually everybody thought it was a blinding signing in September. Yes correct, but any logical person does adjust their views / assumptions / opinions based on evidence. Was Ross Barkley a big name that got us all excited, and did his debut goal seem to justify the excitement? Yes to both. Has he been poor the majority of times, apart from 2 goals in games where he otherwise flattered to deceive? Also yes. I also don't think his proclivity for throwing his toys out of the pram for very little reason represents the kind of attitude and behaviour we want to foster around the club. You have to earn a little strop every now and then, and he hasn't. Send him back. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 That article written by an Everton blog doesn't prove anything it's just one fan's opinion, you could equally find many Everton and Chelsea fans praising him throughout his spells with those clubs, indeed go back but a month and many Villa fans were praising him as well. Holding that article up as some sort of evidence just seems like confirmation bias to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 If Barkley has to play then shift him into Jack position and get Sanson or Ramsey into midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 He can get better. He must get better. Do we need depth in our squad? Yes. Is there a place for him? Yes. But the kicker right now to me is that, despite me not watching yesterday, I've seen enough this year to say Ramsey can play a part. He's looked more composed and mature than I expected. So if Ramsey can fill in, a player we own and can develop. Why should Barkley keep his place when he's not ours and is consistently playing average. I'd honestly play both Ramsey and Sanson ahead of him, even if it's not ideal to rush Sanson into this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLillis Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 He has played well for us but not very often. For me the biggest issue is his lack of mobility (he looked like a carthorse at times on Sunday) Against Leeds we need more than he can offer (at present) so it must be Ramsey or Sanson. For me it would be Sanson to replace John McGinn in a deeper role and John McGinn in for Barkley further up the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordVillan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, AVTuco said: My prediction is that he'll be dropped for the Leeds game and then, when the result is as poor without him, he'll get another shot. I don’t think for a single second that our performance or results will be equally as poor if Ross Barkley is dropped. There are now other factors to consider, such as Cash & Grealish now being out of the team, that will inevitably influence performance and results. That aside, Villa will be a better unit with Ramsey or Sanson in for Barkley. With the injuries mentioned it requires Villa to become a bit more pragmatic, to do the basics very well and make sure they work as hard as any opposition. Ross Barkley doesnt give you that. The bulk of his displays have shown him to lose the ball relatively easily, and to not work hard to press and win balls back. Without Cash & Grealish in the team Villa cannot afford to carry anyone. We’ve been carrying Barkley for too many games now, and his petulant antics on the sideline when he has been subbed off just compound the problem. Make no mistake, Villa will be better at this point in time with Barkley out of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazmonkey Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 i think there is player there but for me he just doesnt show it enough. Can he pass a ball...yes can he get a shot off...yes I watch Barkley and see him do something and Im like go on..keep going...but then he just disappears...I want him to show what he can do but often left disappointed. He has a chance to put himself in the shop window...not only for us..but for England...and hes not doing it. I look at Lingard...taken it on...playing well....enjoying football.....done more in four or five games at West Ham than Barkley has in 18 plus...bit of a shame really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxfordVillan Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, MarkLillis said: He has played well for us but not very often. For me the biggest issue is his lack of mobility (he looked like a carthorse at times on Sunday) Against Leeds we need more than he can offer (at present) so it must be Ramsey or Sanson. For me it would be Sanson to replace John McGinn in a deeper role and John McGinn in for Barkley further up the pitch. McGinn has been guilty of giving the ball away quite often of late, so you may be right in putting him further up the pitch. My take, however, is that both McGinn and Douglas Luiz are under more pressure as a result of the players ahead of them not doing enough to press and slow down the ball coming back at us, they have less time to pick out forward passes. Barkley, and to some extent Traore, being in the team has resulted in less protection for our midfield. I think Sanson or Ramsey in for Barkley will instantly help, and we have Nakamba to come in at DM if we need some more energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, OxfordVillan said: McGinn has been guilty of giving the ball away quite often of late, so you may be right in putting him further up the pitch. My take, however, is that both McGinn and Douglas Luiz are under more pressure as a result of the players ahead of them not doing enough to press and slow down the ball coming back at us, they have less time to pick out forward passes. Barkley, and to some extent Traore, being in the team has resulted in less protection for our midfield. I think Sanson or Ramsey in for Barkley will instantly help, and we have Nakamba to come in at DM if we need some more energy. Agreed. I don't think McGinn or Luiz have been at it at all recently but they're being hung out to dry by Barkley. So many teams play 3 in the middle now and we're being overrun constantly with Barkley's token press. Can't wait til Ramsey/Sanson are given a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, jimmygreaves said: Where his "attributes" aren't good enough.... 100%. im his biggest critic dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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