Ross Barkley

[KenjiOgiwara]

18 hours ago, TrentVilla said:

Agreed, aside from both being Chelsea players there is no similarities.

There is though. They both have a history on unprofessional conduct. Nobody is doubting his ability, but it's whether a player coming from the big club can keep his head screwed on and perform without stirring the boat (or whatever the expression is). Last thing we need is to get in another loanee on big wages that will be detrimental to the dressingroom and what goes on at BMH. 

Personally I'd love to get in his kind of quality, and I trust Deano's assessment of it, but we got it all wrong with Drinkwater. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by KenjiOgiwara

[Sam-AVFC]

2 minutes ago, barry'sboots said:

Because I think he looks like he has every tool in his box - pace, power/physicality, strength, height, skill - to be the best no. 8 in the country but can't seem to deliver it consistently.  I have thought this of him for the last couple of years.  If  he did he would be smashing it at Chelsea?

The fact he hasn't may be down to injuries but could potentially be down to his attitude/application - this could also be a factor in why he keeps picking up injuries.

I don't know him, hence why I have said potentially and could!!

I am sure JT would have a much better view from their time together at Chelsea, as he has demonstrated with his insight into Traore.

I'm pretty sure his year out with a ruptured achilles wasn't anything to do with not being a good little boy. I'm no doctor though.

I just find it weird that people always speculate on attitude with no basis. 

[barry'sboots]

2 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

I'm pretty sure his year out with a ruptured achilles wasn't anything to do with not being a good little boy. I'm no doctor though.

I just find it weird that people always speculate on attitude with no basis. 

So you don't think attitude and application is important then?  There are tons of very talented players that haven't made it because they lack that little bit of desire or application and others that have absolutely had the application that has driven them to be better players than anyone would ever have suspected - Jack (potentially) and James Milner from the Villa and even Ronaldo with the hard work that he puts in.

I am just saying that I can't understand, when you look at the lad and see him in certain games, why he has not progressed to the level that I thought he would have by now.  Given his attributes, I would think he should be a starter in front of Georginho and Kovacic and that there is no way that people would be speculating that Chelsea might let him go out again and I was also massively surprised when they bought in Drinkwater in 2017 for £40m, or whatever it was, and at the same time let RLC go out on loan to Crystal Palace.  What do the Chelsea hierarchy now that I don't??

[A'Villan]

2 minutes ago, barry'sboots said:

 

 

You could play him as an "8" though despite any lack of defensive duty or ability that Barkley may have, as long as there's a "6" in midfield then we're good to go.

Barkley is one of few players in this league who can pick the ball up in the defensive third, and single handedly take it to the opposite end into the final third or edge of the box.

The way he drives at defenders puts them on the back foot, and combined with his close control, makes him a nightmare, as he is so difficult to dispossess.

Add to that he can ping them in from 20 meters out for fun on his day and you have a player who can single handedly win you games.

[Sam-AVFC]

1 minute ago, barry'sboots said:

So you don't think attitude and application is important then?  There are tons of very talented players that haven't made it because they lack that little bit of desire or application and others that have absolutely had the application that has driven them to be better players than anyone would ever have suspected - Jack (potentially) and James Milner from the Villa and even Ronaldo with the hard work that he puts in.

I am just saying that I can't understand, when you look at the lad and see him in certain games, why he has not progressed to the level that I thought he would have by now.  Given his attributes, I would think he should be a starter in front of Georginho and Kovacic and that there is no way that people would be speculating that Chelsea might let him go out again and I was also massively surprised when they bought in Drinkwater in 2017 for £40m, or whatever it was, and at the same time let RLC go out on loan to Crystal Palace.  What do the Chelsea hierarchy now that I don't??

Yes of course I think it's important. I don't think it's important to stopping a ruptured achilles.

The amount of injuries alone are enough to explain his career stalling.

Until their transfer ban Chelsea have been dreadful at using youth players. He was 21 in 2017. Was Abraham loaned out at the same age because of a poor attitude? Was Mason Mount? Loaning shit loads of youth out and hoping they come good has been their strategy for a while.

[The Fun Factory]

Has the rumour got any legs? It would be a statement of intent, even if its just a loan. Just wondering about the wages and what it is in it for Chelsea. He is too old to go out on loan and then get back into the team, so it kind of assumes he has not future at Chelsea. If that is the case surely they would rather just sell him and take all the money off the wage bill?

[A'Villan]

23 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

There is though. They both have a history on unprofessional conduct. Nobody is doubting his ability, but it's whether a player coming from the big club can keep his head screwed on and perform without stirring the boat (or whatever the expression is). Last thing we need is to get in another loanee on big wages that will be detrimental to the dressingroom and what goes on at BMH. 

Personally I'd love to get in his kind of quality, and I trust Deano's assessment of it, but we got it all wrong with Drinkwater. 

Drinkwater came in for 35 million the window before Barkley came in for 15 million. That's about as close as the two get.

Drinkwater hadn't played for nearly three years I think. Add to that he was in a poor state of mind, wasn't motivated, lacked desire. I'm not slating the guy FWIW.

"Fulfilling my hours at work" was how he described his approach and ethos in regards to football in recent years, seems like he didn't want to be there at times.

I want to be clear, I'm not slating Drinkwater, we all have issues crop up regardless of the money in our bank accounts, and obviously he was unable to work through his issues.

Barkley, on the other hand, has played at least half if not two thirds of Chelsea's fixtures in the last few years, before that he may've had an injury, don't know.

Obviously prior to that he was one of the hottest young talents in world football for Everton.

[A'Villan]

7 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said:

Has the rumour got any legs? It would be a statement of intent, even if its just a loan. Just wondering about the wages and what it is in it for Chelsea. He is too old to go out on loan and then get back into the team, so it kind of assumes he has not future at Chelsea. If that is the case surely they would rather just sell him and take all the money off the wage bill?

From what I can gather Chelsea are willing to let Barkley and Loftus Cheek go out on loan to get the football they want and that's the sum of it.

Understandable if they let one of the two go out, as they have Kovacic, Jorginho, Kante and Mount in midfield and and Pulisic, Havertz and Ziyech can play there too.

[barry'sboots]

24 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

Yes of course I think it's important. I don't think it's important to stopping a ruptured achilles.

The amount of injuries alone are enough to explain his career stalling.

Until their transfer ban Chelsea have been dreadful at using youth players. He was 21 in 2017. Was Abraham loaned out at the same age because of a poor attitude? Was Mason Mount? Loaning shit loads of youth out and hoping they come good has been their strategy for a while.

You can't compare him to Mount or Abraham.  He was an established Chelsea player in 2017 having made his debut in the 14-15 season and made 54 appearances and scored 7 goals.  He was in the England squad shortly after he had gone on loan to Palace.  Mount made his debut after returning from loan at Derby and Tammy played a single time before starting his loan spells.

 

[TrentVilla]

46 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

There is though. They both have a history on unprofessional conduct. Nobody is doubting his ability, but it's whether a player coming from the big club can keep his head screwed on and perform without stirring the boat (or whatever the expression is). Last thing we need is to get in another loanee on big wages that will be detrimental to the dressingroom and what goes on at BMH. 

Personally I'd love to get in his kind of quality, and I trust Deano's assessment of it, but we got it all wrong with Drinkwater. 

No, not really.

Barkley had a disagreement with a taxi driver and was pictured on a night out in Dubai, that to my knowledge is the extent of any issues involving him. That isn't on a par with drink driving, getting battered in a nightclub fight when drunk and then headbutting a team mate. Barkley's two incidents if they can call that are tiny and not remotely close to those of Drinkwater who appears to have been on a downward spiral for some time.

Then there is the two as footballers, Barkley made 30 odd appearances for Chelsea last season while Drinkwater couldn't get a game at Burnley who couldn't get rid of him fast enough. Then there is their age and physical condition, Barley is 26 and at his peak while Drinkwater was 29 and by his own admission nowhere near fit after hardly playing for two seasons.

So no I don't think there are parallels.

[Sulberto21]

1 minute ago, TrentVilla said:

No, not really.

Barkley had a disagreement with a taxi driver and was pictured on a night out in Dubai, that to my knowledge is the extent of any issues involving him. That isn't on a par with drink driving, getting battered in a nightclub fight when drunk and then headbutting a team mate. Barkley's two incidents if they can call that are tiny and not remotely close to those of Drinkwater who appears to have been on a downward spiral for some time.

Then there is the two as footballers, Barkley made 30 odd appearances for Chelsea last season while Drinkwater couldn't get a game at Burnley who couldn't get rid of him fast enough. Then there is their age and physical condition, Barley is 26 and at his peak while Drinkwater was 29 and by his own admission nowhere near fit after hardly playing for two seasons.

So no I don't think there are parallels.

Drinkwater's body is probably about 37/38 + or older with all the substances he's put into his body. Barkley as you say has kept himself fit and healthy.

[bannedfromHandV]

The only parallels are that they’re both English midfielders in the Chelsea team.

Thats where it ends.

[Sam-AVFC]

7 minutes ago, barry'sboots said:

You can't compare him to Mount or Abraham.  He was an established Chelsea player in 2017 having made his debut in the 14-15 season and made 54 appearances and scored 7 goals.  He was in the England squad shortly after he had gone on loan to Palace.  Mount made his debut after returning from loan at Derby and Tammy played a single time before starting his loan spells.

 

Sorry, didn't realise I couldn't compare him to those two. Going way off topic now so I'll leave it, but you might want to check your stats.

[barry'sboots]

1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said:

you might want to check your stats.

What stats should I check??

[ChinlessWonder]

I'm in the 'no' camp too.

If for no other reason than he'd play in the position i want to see Grealish in, attacking midfield. We need to sign a left winger and play Grealish attacking mid, not an attacking mid and play Grealish left wing. I also don't like loaning players, so apart from this i'd also sooner see Jacob Ramsey get game time than Loftus Cheek on loan only to go back there with a bit more experience.

Frankly, I hope these Chelsea loan rumours are all a load of bollocks.

Edited September 25, 2020 by ChinlessWonder

[KenjiOgiwara]

Each to their own. I don't consider getting shitfaced, refusing payment, being escorted by the police to be professional behaviour for someone in what you can call a public profession.

We've just gotten Grealish sorted out. We don't need another overpaid party billy grabbing the headlines. So I think that's a pretty legit comparison to Drinkwater. 

But those of you who think that's good behaviour that's your prerogative.

[Adam2003]

1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

We've just gotten Grealish sorted out

Have we? Based on what? Jack loves a party... thankfully he’s more than good enough to get away with it.

[mikeyp102]

Villatalk never fails to surprise. I just can’t believe people can’t see where he improves the team. 
If we sign him and another winger, we could see a midfield three of Luiz, Barkley and Jack. The interchanging passes would be brilliant between them. 
If we only signed Barkley, we’d have McGinn Luiz and Barkley, which again would compliment each other in different ways. 
Either way, Barkley Would be a huge improvement on Hourihane  

[KenjiOgiwara]

2 minutes ago, Adam2003 said:

Have we? Based on what? Jack loves a party... thankfully he’s more than good enough to get away with it.

Fair point. He was our on a bender during corona times wasn't he? No need adding more that methinks. 

[PieFacE]

He's better than Hourihane and he's probably better than Mcginn. So, this would be a no-brainer for me.