Junxs Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I've never been a fan of loan signings, mainly because when they are out of form they never get dropped. The big clubs insist you play their players. We looked a really good team with Jack in the middle and were destroying teams whilst Barkley was out the side with injury before covid kicked in.. since we've come back we've been awful and Ross has started every game 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa 59 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Junxs said: I've never been a fan of loan signings, mainly because when they are out of form they never get dropped. The big clubs insist you play their players. We looked a really good team with Jack in the middle and were destroying teams whilst Barkley was out the side with injury before covid kicked in.. since we've come back we've been awful and Ross has started every game Agree 100%. We're simply better without Barkley imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, Villa 59 said: Agree 100%. We're simply better without Barkley imo I don't know if we are better without him. He has that quality that can determine games (scoring against Leicester and Southampton) but offers little defensively. In games where we are on top in midfield, he can be a real asset. In games where we need to grind and graft he's a luxury we can't afford. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa 59 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: I don't know if we are better without him. He has that quality that can determine games (scoring against Leicester and Southampton) but offers little defensively. In games where we are on top in midfield, he can be a real asset. In games where we need to grind and graft he's a luxury we can't afford. I would say that we're better without him in 'most' games. I think that's a fair comment and I stand by it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 27 minutes ago, Junxs said: I've never been a fan of loan signings, mainly because when they are out of form they never get dropped. The big clubs insist you play their players. We looked a really good team with Jack in the middle and were destroying teams whilst Barkley was out the side with injury before covid kicked in.. since we've come back we've been awful and Ross has started every game I don’t necessarily disagree but he was also present in several of our best performances and wins of the season. He was definitely poor last night but I think it would be unfair to put the post Covid bad form entirely on his shoulders. I think it’s been a combo of too little training, too many games in a short space of time and yes Barkley’s reintroduction. Plus we also shouldn’t ignore the fact that Decembers fixtures were largely against bottom half sides and the post Covid teams have mostly been against better teams. We need to get through the Arsenal game, rest and regroup and yes consider what our best starting 11 now is (although surely this would differ depending on the opposition). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: I don't know if we are better without him. He has that quality that can determine games (scoring against Leicester and Southampton) but offers little defensively. In games where we are on top in midfield, he can be a real asset. In games where we need to grind and graft he's a luxury we can't afford. We're working towards having a squad that can give us the options we need to compete against different styles, but we're not there yet. Barkley should be a lot more use against Arsenal, so he'll probably start again - when we come up against another team like West Ham he'll need to be benched for someone like Sanson imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 59 minutes ago, lexicon said: He needs to be accommodated way more than we're able to because he doesn't do defensive work. I think we'd be a lot better off with Sanson on, and McGinn in Barkley's position. EDIT - to add to this, I think he's come here wanting to be one of the focal points/stars, when really we need more of a supporting role from someone in his position. Someone eager to offer an option, hassle the defence, make useful runs etc. so we can get the best out of Jack, Traore and Watkins. McGinn can't play in barkley's position. He just stands between the striker and the full back. We have been over this in his thread last season. If mcginn isn't playing deep then he can't dribble and he can't play his long balls os there is no point in him being in the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Positive thing is that his valuation drops a million quid every time he plays. At this rate Chelsea will be giving us £5m to offload him 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thabucks Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Great player on his day and he is out of rhythm currently. Won’t judge him just yet as we don’t know if he is recovering from Covid or something .... Do feel we can get better or as good prospects for less though ... Let’s see how the next 10 games pan out . Edited February 4, 2021 by thabucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 He's been vital in some games. I do wonder how much that hamstring injury has knocked him. He's too talented to just give up on but I'd be dropping him Saturday. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Junxs said: I've never been a fan of loan signings, mainly because when they are out of form they never get dropped. The big clubs insist you play their players. I'd be 99% certain that there is no clause in his loan that he has to play if fit. He's playing because the only alternative a lad just in the door. Edited February 4, 2021 by villa89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I'm ok with him underperforming or not fitting the system - what frustrates me is constantly playing him (and McGinn) to the detriment of the team in the hope that he finds his form. Not good enough. I don't care what he's done or what his name is, b e n c h him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 we were playing well with trezeguet and el ghazi and traore playing. Barkley returns, and ok, scores winner v southampton, but in the other games ( and even in that one ) he's looked off the pace. Not worth ruining our season to keep on playing him. At least give him a proper break. A couple of weeks off, and then bring him on via the bench instead. Mcginn has offered **** all for too long now as well. Coasting in this side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Rodders said: At least give him a proper break. A couple of weeks off, and then bring him on via the bench instead. Mcginn has offered **** all for too long now as well. Coasting in this side. We don't have that luxury. They both need a break but won't get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa 59 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Kingman said: Positive thing is that his valuation drops a million quid every time he plays. At this rate Chelsea will be giving us £5m to offload him I'd want more than £5m mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, villa89 said: I'd be 99% certain that there is no clause in his loan that he has to play if fit. He's playing because the only alternative a lad just in the door. It really isn't, or have you conveniently forgotten how good we were before the covid outbreak? Grealish had been playing in the 10 position and El Ghazi was doing well on the left, I'm not his biggest fan but he was doing well. It was appalling how a player who scored 4 in 5 was just kicked out the team to accommodate an unfit loan signing. Jacob Ramsey was also knocking on the door for a start. I don't even think Sansom is seen as a number 10 player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didiersix Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I was really disappointed by the way he didn't do more for the first Lingard goal. I'm not sure whether he was out on his feet or what, but as others have said I expected him to at least make a last gasp dive to try and block the shot. Maybe I'm being harsh (he could have been further away than looks on TV) but he just seemed to accept that Lingard would get the shot away. You could see he was frustrated with how he was playing - but his head seemed to drop very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted February 4, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted February 4, 2021 One of the guys with real offensive quality that you cannot have too many of. Was poor yesterday, but without him, we only got Jack. We need Barkley to keep playing and get back to where he was before the injury. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, AVTuco said: One of the guys with real offensive quality that you cannot have too many of. Was poor yesterday, but without him, we only got Jack. We need Barkley to keep playing and get back to where he was before the injury. Do you think people will have the patience to watch him huffing and puffing whilst offering very little in the meantime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, picicata said: Do you think people will have the patience to watch him huffing and puffing whilst offering very little in the meantime? I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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