Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 13 minutes ago, DCJonah said: I'm genuinely stunned at this thread at the moment. I'm in between, I want to see him prove is worth. Which he has until the end of the season to do. Don't think he should receive adulation and a guaranteed starting spot just for being Ross Barkley though. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 hours ago, PaulC said: He needs to work harder off the ball i agree but the link-up play with Grealish is a thing of beauty so I still like him. I think you cant always play McGinn and Barkley in the same midfield and leaves too much for Luiz to do. When it works its awesome like vs Liverpool but wheb it doesnt we are easily exposed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DCJonah Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I'm in between, I want to see him prove is worth. Which he has until the end of the season to do. Don't think he should receive adulation and a guaranteed starting spot just for being Ross Barkley though. He gets a starting spot because he's one of our best players and the quicker he gets back to full sharpness the better for us. We beat Liverpool, Leicester and Arsenal and he was absolutely key to those wins. Short memories from some. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AvfcRigo82 Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Steero113 said: This is a player who is a level (or two) above the signings we have made for years. He is clearly quality and the whole fan base was raving about him just 10 weeks ago. Some were even saying £40m was worth it and get it done. We have had a few very disappointing results where we have played well, dominated in some instances, and luck/VAR/pure shithousery has gone against us and we've not picked up points and you post this????? The guy has just come back from 10 weeks injured and for all you know may have had Covid-19 as well and may be struggling slightly more than other. Cut him some sodding slack. Once he is back to full fitness we are a better team with him in it. For me, he was blowing majorly in both games since his return and should have been taken off at 60mins. Sent back to Chelsea, jesus... I hear what you say about the player and being an improvement as to what we had at the time, no question about that. I agree, he was an improvement. Listen, I am not totally against Barkley or have any dislike toward the player. When he is on his game he can be very instrumental in leading our attacks, however I just see a player who as good as he can be is also easily dogged by injury and has been his whole career since Everton sadly. Ross Barkley has been at Aston Villa for 16 of our 18 league games. In those 16 games, he's played in the first 6 (scoring 2 and 1 assist), missed the next 7 through injury and in his last 3 games since his return he has been needing those minutes in the tank. It will be interesting to see how the next 20 league games for Aston Villa and Ross Barkley pan out. So far, he has not shown enough to some of us to see why we would spend £30m or so on making him a permanent signing. It's great having a flash sports car in the garage, but if it's got a bad history and is getting fixed as much as it is racing, then it seems a very expensive luxury to have imo. Edited January 30, 2021 by AvfcRigo82 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sne Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 He's a player we could only dream about signing at this point last year. This year we need to dream smarter. For this season he's a good player to have on loan. When fit he makes us better and even when as now he's a bit away from form he's still a good option to have. For next season thou he still has a thing or two to prove to be worth the outlay imo. He'd cost a lot to sign and a lot on wages. Unless he can stay fit for the rest of the season and get back to the attitude and form he showed against Plop I'd spend the money elsewhere. I put it down to coming back from injury and not wanting to risk a new one but for me he looked hesitant going into challenges and not 100% committed to the cause against Burnley (I get that since they are thugs and he is playing for his next contract but still) and he also looked slow both in feet and thought. 20 games left to shine. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted January 30, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted January 30, 2021 I've not been overly impressed with his performances since he's come back. I have no problem with him being a starter..... ... but I want to see him replaced early when he's having "one of those games" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 He needs to try harder than what he’s doing. He just watches the opposition stroll past. He doesn’t put in a tackle. Absolutely not what we need. If he’s unfit, he needs to be benched. If he’s fit enough for 30 minutes, then come on at 60 minutes. If he’s fit enough for 60, then for those 60 minutes show a little effort. Smith is definitely partly to blame for this for leaving him on so long, but makes you wonder what kind of agreement we have as part of him being here. Play if ‘fit’? If he’s fit, then he’s not working hard enough, if he’s not fit, then he should be on the bench. Either way he shouldn’t be starting if he’s unwilling/unable to track a man or put in a tackle. Theres a player in there somewhere, but a couple of 30yd screamers a season and few flicks a game aren’t enough in this day and age. He drastically needs to up his off the ball game. He only needs to watch Grealish play to see the effort and work rate required to be a top player. If he could even do 10% of that he’d be a better player for it. The rest of the team are working their socks off trying to get the ball back - wonder how long before they start to think why it’s ok for him to stroll around but not them? Step it up Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooJung Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Zatman said: I think you cant always play McGinn and Barkley in the same midfield and leaves too much for Luiz to do. When it works its awesome like vs Liverpool but wheb it doesnt we are easily exposed Dunno, when Barkley was out it was El Ghazi who replaced him, and it's not like his defensive contribution is great by any means. I think it's more the case of McGinn (and Barkley) not being in great shape/form right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Think he's been judged harshly since he came back - it was a fairly long injury and he might have had Covid too. He'll need some time to get back up to speed, there's no magic wand you can wave - we'll have to bear with him while he finds that sharpness again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 50 minutes ago, lexicon said: Think he's been judged harshly since he came back - it was a fairly long injury and he might have had Covid too. He'll need some time to get back up to speed, there's no magic wand you can wave - we'll have to bear with him while he finds that sharpness again. I don’t agree with this. we’re Aston Villa, not the ‘Chelsea Players Rehabilitation Club’. This exactly what we were doing with Drinkwater situation, ‘getting him up to speed’. Completely different calibre of player, but same mistake. He can get up to speed out of the team, or the number of minutes that his fitness warrants. If we didn’t have the players who can fill in, fair enough. But we had a player in a hot streak flying high in confidence that we dropped so that a loan player can get his sharpness back by strolling around? He’s blowing out of his arse after 45 minutes, he needs to be hooked off. This is probably on Smiths head, but 81 minutes? The last 30 of which he was a liability? Shouldn’t start. Come on after 60. 30 minutes to run around and put in a shift. Earn his place, not be gifted it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, Thug said: I don’t agree with this. we’re Aston Villa, not the ‘Chelsea Players Rehabilitation Club’. This exactly what we were doing with Drinkwater situation, ‘getting him up to speed’. Completely different calibre of player, but same mistake. He can get up to speed out of the team, or the number of minutes that his fitness warrants. If we didn’t have the players who can fill in, fair enough. But we had a player in a hot streak flying high in confidence that we dropped so that a loan player can get his sharpness back by strolling around? He’s blowing out of his arse after 45 minutes, he needs to be hooked off. This is probably on Smiths head, but 81 minutes? The last 30 of which he was a liability? Shouldn’t start. Come on after 60. 30 minutes to run around and put in a shift. Earn his place, not be gifted it. He can't - there's no substitute for the real thing IMO. The only way that he'll be able to get up to match readiness is by pushing himself and tiring himself out so he can come back better the next time. It's not ideal for us, but we don't have many players of his level at the club and when he's up to speed, he'll be an asset in the context of the season as a whole. If we don't do that, then he won't be. No risk, no reward, as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Well I hope he ups his game today. I would love for it all to come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Thug said: Well I hope he ups his game today. I would love for it all to come good. I think we've seen improvement in the games since he's come back - he's a very talented player, genuinely two-footed by the looks of it, so we'll benefit massively if it does come good. In terms of criticism, I think he'd do well to keep things simple at times and perhaps just release the ball a bit quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, sne said: He's a player we could only dream about signing at this point last year. This year we need to dream smarter. For this season he's a good player to have on loan. When fit he makes us better and even when as now he's a bit away from form he's still a good option to have. For next season thou he still has a thing or two to prove to be worth the outlay imo. He'd cost a lot to sign and a lot on wages. Unless he can stay fit for the rest of the season and get back to the attitude and form he showed against Plop I'd spend the money elsewhere. I put it down to coming back from injury and not wanting to risk a new one but for me he looked hesitant going into challenges and not 100% committed to the cause against Burnley (I get that since they are thugs and he is playing for his next contract but still) and he also looked slow both in feet and thought. 20 games left to shine. Summed up better than some of us put it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) Proving there why he's worth a spot in the team, although until the goal i wouldn't have been against him coming off at half time. Still not sure where I sit on him (innuendo not intended) Edited January 30, 2021 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Very happy for him. Can't quite believe some want him on the bench or back at his old club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, DCJonah said: Very happy for him. Can't quite believe some want him on the bench or back at his old club. Me too, I think Luiz and McGinn need to up their game. Barkley has been ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmygreaves Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, PaulC said: Me too, I think Luiz and McGinn need to up their game. Barkley has been ok. When Barkley plays at 10 Luiz and McGinn have zero help in midfield. When Grealish plays 10 he drops in and defends when it's needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danishlad Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 A very nice header, but not yet up to match speed. gotta stay injury free to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Might as well buy a striker to partner Ollie and drop Barkley. He has zero positive effect on our midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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