Popular Post LondonLax Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 He looked good at Ajax and has obviously been brought in to help us play on the counter (I am sure that would have been a priority for Shakespeare). This signing also seems to have wound up KenjiOgiwara and villalad21 which is fun to watch Interested in seeing what he can do in a Villa shirt. 7 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: Interesting that club after club wants to get rid. More like ajax produce a talent Chelsea snap them up. And because it is Chelsea they are awful at bedding in young players (this season excluded) so he goes out on loan to lyon and performs so he signs, but after a change in management and formation he no longer fits their system and is left as the odd one out. That being said I personally don't want him because I think there are other rws available for a similar price who would outperform him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hobbit Feet said: Call me old fashioned but I miss the old days when players were just announced with a scarf above their head at villa park. You knew nothing about them but you were so excited and It was then your job to some how find something about them with a positive attitude but more often than not you wouldn’t. You then judged them on how they performed in a Villa shirt over the course of their contract. Old fashioned 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Daweii Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, villan-scott said: Sounds like OL fans don’t have the best reputation. I have no idea, but thought it might be good to try and get some balance that OL have form for being quick to jump on players. Just a quick search of Lyons history and seeing they won the league 7 times in a row gave me a pretty good idea on the type of fan they have. They have the Man Utd class of fan that expect everything and turn on anyone the moment they dip in form, which funnily enough probably contributes to their form declining for a longer spell than necessary. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPAngel Posted September 13, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said: You contradict yourself here. Niether of those players were bought by this recruitment team. Plus, I've seen those players with my own eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, JPAngel said: Niether of those players were bought by this recruitment team. Plus, I've seen those players with my own eyes So you think El Ghazi was a Suso signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Interestingly he was at Vitesse at the same time as Nakamba and Rashica. In fact Rashica seemed to take Traore’s spot in the side when Traore went back to Chelsea . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Looking at detailed stats what's interesting is the 4 seasons before last he scored 14 in 28 playing centre forward and many of those were limited minutes. Perhaps he's a target for Watkins backup potential as well as winger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LxYoungAVFC Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, LondonLax said: He looked good at Ajax and has obviously been brought in to help us play on the counter (I am sure that would have been a priority for Shakespeare). This signing also seems to have wound up KenjiOgiwara and villalad21 which is fun to watch Interested in seeing what he can do in a Villa shirt. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 I don't know if Traore is going to be any good or not. I do know that judging him on the opinion of Lyon fans, or FIFA, or youtube clips, is pointless. Very different clubs, operating on very different levels. The numbers are good, the pedigree (Chelsea, Vitesse, Ajax, Lyon) is good. If you get a remotely average Premier League forward for £19m, you've done ok. Chill and go with it. 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMitch Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Daweii said: Just a quick search of Lyons history and seeing they won the league 7 times in a row gave me a pretty good idea on the type of fan they have. They have the Man Utd class of fan that expect everything and turn on anyone the moment they dip in form, which funnily enough probably contributes to their form declining for a longer spell than necessary. Lyon were the PSG in terms of money ~15 years ago. They were one of the richest clubs in the world at that time. Their owner has since seen stupid money come into the league and has decided to run his club like Daniel Levy instead of spending stupid money to keep up. Their fans are exactly like Man United fans, in that they're bitter and delusional about everything now that they aren't on top anymore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, dont_do_it_doug. said: I don't know if Traore is going to be any good or not. I do know that judging him on the opinion of Lyon fans, or FIFA, or youtube clips, is pointless. Very different clubs, operating on very different levels. The numbers are good, the pedigree (Chelsea, Vitesse, Ajax, Lyon) is good. If you get a remotely average Premier League forward for £19m, you've done ok. Chill and go with it. I don't know shit about him, and will wait to see him with my own eyes at Villa than deferring to the ever-reliable football fans or edited YT clips. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Name Is Death Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, His Name Is Death said: When he signed for Liverpool, they claimed he would be the biggest flop since Fernando Torres and would fail to make an impact in the Premier League. I presume all those tweets are deleted now. I forgot to mention that this was after he'd scored 19 goals for Roma in 2016-17. Football fans are in no way the be-all and end-all. I know Chelsea fans' feelings on Salah is just one example of fans being twattish and unreliable - though I don't see why anyone here should need reams upon reams of evidence of this, unless it's somehow escaped their notice - but it's one that's stayed with me for a while now. Edited September 13, 2020 by His Name Is Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Daweii said: Just a quick search of Lyons history and seeing they won the league 7 times in a row gave me a pretty good idea on the type of fan they have. They have the Man Utd class of fan that expect everything and turn on anyone the moment they dip in form, which funnily enough probably contributes to their form declining for a longer spell than necessary. It's basically what I was alluding to earlier in the thread when I said it seems they might be "Frances equivalent of Villa fans". Massive history with success, demanding, bitter and entitled that they haven't done the business for a while etc. "We are Lyon! etc etc" With cringe French accents. lol Edited September 13, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Made In Aston Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said: Thanks for that, seems to be a reasonable explanation to why he hasn't performed this season. Could still be that he is a good player in other words! True it's mostly for another forum, but when referring to what Lyon fans think I believe it is relevant. Just to shortly elaborate and for others who haven't followed French football there was among other things a big scandal involving Laurent Blanc where the national team systematically discriminated black players. Having lived in France and followed quite much football there I was truly surprised by how outspoken and open the rasicm was not only among the fans, but also on state television. I truly believe that a black player that doesn't perform and speaks out will get a tougher time among some of the fans. And when referring to what "Lyon fans think" I guess it is the same there as here, a loud minority can set the tone and give a wrong picture. I'm pretty sure the Lyon fans weren't moaning when he scored 17 goals in 34 starts in his first season there. Was also statistically one of the best players in the division that year. He is definitely talented and, in the right environment, will be a real asset. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: Looking at detailed stats what's interesting is the 4 seasons before last he scored 14 in 28 playing centre forward and many of those were limited minutes. Perhaps he's a target for Watkins backup potential as well as winger One of the reasons i'm not overly worried, not if he was our main forward or only forward signing I would be more concerned. But it's clear we just plan to run defences ragged with pace and fluidity. As a couple of others have pointed out it should also raise the game of our existing underperformers. Edited September 13, 2020 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Interestingly he was at Vitesse at the same time as Nakamba and Rashica. In fact Rashica seemed to take Traore’s spot in the side when Traore went back to Chelsea . Correct. Although Traore left just as Rashica had arrived? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonLax Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, AvfcRigo82 said: Correct. Although Traore left just as Rashica had arrived? Wikipedia seems to say Rashica arrived on trial about 8 months before Traore left. The trial obviously went so well that he was offered a contract to take Traore’s place! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: One of the reasons i'm not overly worried, not if he was our main forward or only forward signing I would be slightly concerned. But it's clear we just plan to run defences ragged with pace and fluidity. As a couple of others have pointed out it should also raise the game of our existing underperformers. Or spell the end for them, whichever the case may be. It's good to have options and a squad. Not every signing has to make you salivate, they just have the raise our performance overall, 'points per game' as Dean Smith would have it, to provide value. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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