sparrow1988 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: I’m getting confused with who’s saying what and exactly what’s happened now. Is any party faultless here? It just seems like one monumental f*** up by everyone involved from start to finish. The beauty of it all is Buendia only went there for a couple of training sessions and didn’t even make the squad. It’s a sorry state of affairs and doesn’t just reflect badly on the clubs, the players and the AFA, but football in general. It is a massive f*** up but personally, I see it like this regarding who’s at fault: 1. FIFA (mostly) / CONMEBOL (they are ultimately responsible for these games and have just hidden since that statement saying clubs can’t stop their players. There has still been nothing regarding the abandoned game has there?) 2. AFA (either through arrogance or ignorance thought that the players could travel into Brazil without consequences) Probably someone else I can’t think of. Somewhere down here are the club and the players, although I would apportion very small amounts of blame to either of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sparrow1988 Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 14 hours ago, El Zen said: I find it hard to be too upset with the players desperately wanting to play for their country, and certainly don’t see how the club is to blame. It’s unfortunate, but let’s not make it into something it doesn’t need to be. You don’t understand how we operate here do you? 2 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: You don’t understand how we operate here do you? Oh, my comment was not to be taken as an expectation 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 15 hours ago, El Zen said: I find it hard to be too upset with the players desperately wanting to play for their country, and certainly don’t see how the club is to blame. It’s unfortunate, but let’s not make it into something it doesn’t need to be. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Could be worse, Spurs are fining Lo Celso and Romero because both players weren't even supposed to be with the Argentina squad for these matches. At least we came to an agreement with our players, even if it was completely pointless in the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJCB Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I blame the AFA purely for the irrational reason that the Argentina manager seems like a nob. Separate issue but his claim that Martinez and buendia would stay for all 3 games which completely cut across the compromise we’d reached with them stank of arrogance and it’s wholly believable to me that he/the AFA showed the exact same attitude re the Brazilian authorities leading to this mess 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedman Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, jacketspuds said: Could be worse, Spurs are fining Lo Celso and Romero because both players weren't even supposed to be with the Argentina squad for these matches. At least we came to an agreement with our players, even if it was completely pointless in the end. You have to wonder if they'd have taken the same stance if it was, say, Kane and Son however. Easy to risk pissing off players that never play for you anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Let’s also not forget there is seemingly a good possibility Bolsonaro is about to use the military to seize permanent dictatorial power in Brazil… having police drag off Argentina players might have played well to his crowd. So it could be the AFA have been deliberately played on the Brazilian side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Plenty of stories about how Spurs are fining their two who went to Argentina. Didn't think they were allowed to do that to be honest? Thought FIFA would stop it as you can't stop someone joining up with their country. Hope the Emis appreciate how accomodating Villa have been here. Romero and Buendia very similar situations...brand new record signings immediately peeing off the club that's just shelled out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Not sure Spurs have really got much of a leg to stand on regarding fining the players to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Great article on why Argentine players are so hell bent to represent their country right now. https://theathletic.com/2809030/2021/09/07/getting-messi-to-the-world-cup-is-a-sacred-task-for-martinez-romero-and-co-dont-blame-them-for-brazil-farce?source=user-shared-article Quote This summer was the end of Messi’s long and painful wait. His team-mates remembered his tears in the Maracana after the 2014 World Cup final. The sight of him aghast as his team-mates missed their penalty kicks against Chile in the Copa final of 2015. Or Messi himself missing in another final shootout against Chile in 2016, which prompted his brief international retirement. This was Messi’s quest to win a trophy for Argentina and it was only this year, at the age of 34, that he finally completed it. He described it afterwards as removing a thorn from himself. His team-mates were honoured to help him pull it out, just as they are now determined to give him one more shot at the World Cup. This, in short, is why Giovani Lo Celso, Cristian Romero, Emiliano Martinez and Emiliano Buendia are so desperate to be part of this quest, even if it risks upsetting their clubs. Some things in football mean more than playing for your club in early-season league matches, and this is one of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sam-AVFC Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: Simon Jordan accusing others of being arrogant and self-indulgent shows his level of self awareness. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 So Emi openly stated Aston Villa did not even do their research and had no clue... Again. It's really poor from the club but Emi should absolutely not go public with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, villalad21 said: So Emi openly stated Aston Villa did not even do their research and had no clue... Again. It's really poor from the club but Emi should absolutely not go public with that. Funny you didn't include the actual quote. Is it by any chance because it's not even close to as critical of the club as your 'paraphrasing'? The reason it happened is because of the Argentinian FA being the sort of arseholes to threaten players. The manager coming out and immediately pleading ignorance of the deals made with clubs showed that clearly enough. Add to that **** that is Brazilian democracy and the number of national and regional governments, judges and agencies competing for (and able to exercise) power meaning that, even though the Brazilian federal government had given the go ahead, someone with a point to prove and the ability to do so decided to ignore them. Add to that the fact clubs aren't allowed to stop players going on international duty, or Fifa can ban them from playing in the league we actually ended up with them coming back faster than they would have by being willing to negotiate rather than going for the false imprisonment route. Do you have any specific, articulable criticisms of how the club has acted and how it has disadvantaged us? If not it seems like they're being criticised for the sake of it. p.s. it's the Argentinian FA that are in charge of organising visas for their players, there is absolutely no reason why we as a club would 'do our research' on public regulations that are constantly having exemptions agreed on behind closed doors. Edited September 7, 2021 by Sam-AVFC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcarpet Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, villalad21 said: So Emi openly stated Aston Villa did not even do their research and had no clue... Again. It's really poor from the club but Emi should absolutely not go public with that. I don't understand this. Why should the club be looking into the requirements of what Emi needs to do/have done for something which is happening while away with his county? All we need to care about is what happens when he returns surely? This is the responsibility of the AFA to look into, not Villa. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rightdm00 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 The Brazilian government spends billions on it's national police force. Knowing that, we are to believe they couldn't stop 4 very popular and well known footballers from entering their country and playing a football match til 5 minutes after the kickoff. Come on that's just insane. Did the Argentina team parachute into the stadium right at kickoff? Pretty sure they walked out of the locker room and could have easily been confronted in the tunnel, or during the warmup, or while debarking the team bus, or while leaving the hotel. It was a stunt and if you decide to fall for it then please turn in whatever educational diplomas you have hanging on your wall. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blandy Posted September 7, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, villalad21 said: So Emi openly stated Aston Villa did not even do their research and had no clue... Again. It's really poor from the club but Emi should absolutely not go public with that. Let’s think on this. FIFA arrange a fixture between Brazil and Argentina. Argentina call up Emi to play in the fixture. The player wishes to play in it. Villa has no say in it. The player travels, the game starts, as per FIFA and Brazil & Argentina arrangements. Then the Brazilian health police intervene and say “not allowed”. There is some merit in asking why and how this all happened and whether Emi, Argie FA, Brazil FA sought and got assurances that he could play in the game. There is no merit in Emi saying Villa didn’t know. Villa is in this case 6th on the list behind all of Brazilian Authorities, Brazil FA, Argentina FA, FIFA and Emi, all of whom have direct involvement and responsibility for hosting and playing the game. Once Emi left VP, it’s down to the international side of things. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said: The Brazilian government spends billions on it's national police force. Knowing that, we are to believe they couldn't stop 4 very popular and well known footballers from entering their country and playing a football match til 5 minutes after the kickoff. Come on that's just insane. Did the Argentina team parachute into the stadium right at kickoff? Pretty sure they walked out of the locker room and could have easily been confronted in the tunnel, or during the warmup, or while debarking the team bus, or while leaving the hotel. It was a stunt and if you decide to fall for it then please turn in whatever educational diplomas you have hanging on your wall. Look into Brazilian bureaucracy. Control is not clear and centralised hence the mixed messages given to the AFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, villalad21 said: So Emi openly stated Aston Villa did not even do their research and had no clue... Again. It's really poor from the club but Emi should absolutely not go public with that. I don't know, maybe as a 28 year old adult Emi could have done that thing we all have to do in life...think for ourselves. The bloke is on 50 bags a week. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do. It is a good job he has a lot of good will and is such an important player to us because honestly he has acted very poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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