Zatman Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Genie said: Has it been confirmed why it was over-turned? CAS will announce in the next few days, seems City were only guilty of not informing UEFA lawyers on time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 CAS is the weakest most pathetic institution there is. Anyone with enough lawyers, time and financial backing will always get the result they want. The number of (mostly American) athletes that has taken their case to CAS and had their fully justified doping ban reversed is too many to counts. CAS is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Its a joke. They can't shaft us afyer xuty got away with this. The whole thing stinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 time for this one again: FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarethRDR Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Its a joke. They can't shaft us afyer xuty got away with this. The whole thing stinks Anything that continues to show-up FFP for the paper tiger/hidden drawbridge that is has always been can't be altogether bad. As much as I would lament the respective trajectories of Villa and City pre-nouveau riche-era, viewed dispassionately the ongoing presence of legitimate competition to those few previously established/entrenched clubs at the very top end of football does have its merits; keeping the likes of Man Utd permanently mired in bang-average mediocrity being chief amongst them, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Unbelievable, but predictable at the same time. One rule for them and another one for everyone else. Get rid of FFP now! It was always been about protecting the big clubs, the clubs with money. They didn't want any new boys gate crashing their party. In England, Liverpool, the Manchester United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal, can do as they want. It's about clubs like us trying to join them. Manchester City did it, but they used FFP to close the door to anyone else. They will hit clubs like Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, Small Heath and us, claiming they are doing it to stop them going bust. Yet, clubs like Bolton, Macclesfield and Wigan, are on the brink of going bust and Bury did. Where was FFP then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaVilla Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 General thread for Aston Villa finances & FFP related info for the 2020/21 season. Does anyone have any detail / insight or information of our current finances?, as well as how FFP might specifically impact us for this season in terms of stability and transfers etc? Any other financial or FFP info related to Villa also welcome. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Thankfully the failed FFP experiment seems to be dying off now big clubs are just ignoring it. Good riddance. Hopefully when its reviewed post COVID everyone will see sense and throw it in the trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2020 Courtesy of Swiss Ramble on Twitter - 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Thankfully the failed FFP experiment seems to be dying off now big clubs are just ignoring it. Good riddance. Hopefully when its reviewed post COVID everyone will see sense and throw it in the trash. What makes you think that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: What makes you think that? Manchester City and PSG. They beat FFP and now they can focus on football. Hopefully the rest of the top clubs including us can do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 @villan-scott those are championship figures. Not sure that means anything at all for what we can do this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted September 2, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said: @villan-scott those are championship figures. Not sure that means anything at all for what we can do this year. Think those are the most recent available until latest figures are published Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 I'd love to know the current situation, but the data just isn't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, paul514 said: I'd love to know the current situation, but the data just isn't available. Don't you worry my friend. It'll be aaaaallllllriiiight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Last season FFP requirements are spread over next season as well because of Covid. Whatever that entails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjc Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 I think, from an initial look: - From the PL rules, it looks like we aren't allowed to lose more than £105m over a rolling three-year period. - For this coming season, that will therefore cover the last year in the Championship, and 2 x years in the PL. - In that last year in the Championship, we had a loss of -£69m...but I'm pretty sure from that you can exclude the £30m we paid off the Doc with, and £9m of youth development expenditure. So maybe a £30m loss for the test. - That leaves £75m of losses allowed for the two years in the PL...and here it's just really hard (impossible) to know. Clearly revenue's gone up massively (although this is maybe partly repayable I think, due to Covid disruption)....unconfirmed rumours of a reduced wage bill....and a lot of transfer fees paid without (so far) many meaningful ones in. I suspect we're okay as the club seem to know what they're doing on this, but there's not really enough public information to conclude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted September 3, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, mrjc said: I think, from an initial look: - From the PL rules, it looks like we aren't allowed to lose more than £105m over a rolling three-year period. With the CV adjustment, last season and the coming season are grouped together to a single reporting period. I'm not sure exactly how that will work, but the timeframes are adjusted so that it'll be looked at over a four year period to allow teams to counter CV losses. Does the Championship figure include the stadium sale? I suspect our incomes for last season were around the £160m mark as opposed to about £60m in the Championship - plus the owners are allowed a level of investment above and beyond the money the club generates - I think so long as we don't get relegated we're fine and dandy. It's very difficult to figure out though - the rules are complicated to start with and we pay a whole lot of accountants to make them even more cloudy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 12 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said: Manchester City and PSG. They beat FFP and now they can focus on football. Hopefully the rest of the top clubs including us can do the same. Man City didn't beat FFP. They muddied the waters on 1 particular point and had their penalty reduced on final appeal over a technicality after a 2 year fight. They've followed all other FFP rules prior and since to make sure they don't end up in the same place again. (Of course, they are probably doing other shady accounting in extreme secrecy to make sure they don't fall foul of FFP again). I don't know anything about PSG to comment on them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrjc Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: With the CV adjustment, last season and the coming season are grouped together to a single reporting period. I'm not sure exactly how that will work, but the timeframes are adjusted so that it'll be looked at over a four year period to allow teams to counter CV losses. Does the Championship figure include the stadium sale? I suspect our incomes for last season were around the £160m mark as opposed to about £60m in the Championship - plus the owners are allowed a level of investment above and beyond the money the club generates - I think so long as we don't get relegated we're fine and dandy. It's very difficult to figure out though - the rules are complicated to start with and we pay a whole lot of accountants to make them even more cloudy. Yes, the Championship figure includes the stadium sale. Basically our exceptionals virtually netted out that year for accounting purposes (+£36m stadium, +£14m from land (BMH?), -£30m Xia payment, -£16m promotion bonuses), but I am presuming that all were included in the FFP calc apart from the Xia payment. Don't know for sure though. Totally agree on the cloudiness (although it's definitely helped us!). PL income - sounds about right, although I'm not sure on our share of the repayments to Sky et al for disruption, which I think are spread over 2 / 3 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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