sidcow Posted August 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Keyblade said: With this season's thicker VAR lines alone he would have been close to 20 goals last season. I don't understand how thicker VAR lines make any difference? Surely a line is a line, you'll just have one thicker line ahead of another, unless forwards have thicker lines than defenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, sidcow said: I don't understand how thicker VAR lines make any difference? Surely a line is a line, you'll just have one thicker line ahead of another, unless forwards have thicker lines than defenders? He wouldn't be offside by a toenail anymore basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Keyblade said: He wouldn't be offside by a toenail anymore basically. I understand the concept but don't understand how thicker lines achieve this. As stated, you will just have one thicker line ahead of another thicker line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa4europe Posted August 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 2, 2021 you know how offsides worked in the euros? with no complaints or controversy? do that... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, sidcow said: I understand the concept but don't understand how thicker lines achieve this. As stated, you will just have one thicker line ahead of another thicker line. The line would be thicker than a toenail, so what was offside last year, would be covered by the extra thickness of the line and be onside as a result. Or at least that's how I imagine it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 2, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: I understand the concept but don't understand how thicker lines achieve this. As stated, you will just have one thicker line ahead of another thicker line. I think it’s the old ‘on the line is in’ thing, and if the line is thicker people will be onside more… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Any changes to VAR will be for the benefit of certain clubs. This season I fully expect Ollie to break the world record for disallowed goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancvillan Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, sidcow said: I don't understand how thicker VAR lines make any difference? Surely a line is a line, you'll just have one thicker line ahead of another, unless forwards have thicker lines than defenders? It's weird but I'll polarize it. Imagine the line was 10 yards deep. If a defender and attacker are both on the line, the attacker is onside. Obviously the lines aren't going to be 10 meters, but last season they had all the depth of a Danny Mills full-time analysis. I **** hate that word removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 2, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, alreadyexists said: I think it’s the old ‘on the line is in’ thing, and if the line is thicker people will be onside more… Ok, so even if one line is "ending" at it's edge further forward than another, as long as there is some overlap, it's counted as level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted August 2, 2021 Author VT Supporter Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, sidcow said: Ok, so even if one line is "ending" at it's edge further forward than another, as long as there is some overlap, it's counted as level. Now I’m confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: Now I’m confused. Looks like they’re introducing a margin of error. In effect, offside will actually be an inch past the defender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 It was one pixel last year. Which given the rubbish resolution, and the fact the frame may not have been taken at exactly the point the ball left the players foot, means that there will always be a margin of error. Using one pixel didn't allow for that error. By making the line thicker, and allowing overlapping lines to be considered onside removes the margin of error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 There is still going to be a situatiuon in which a player is offside because of one pixel, so there's still that same margin, it's just shifting the line in the attacker's favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MrBlack said: It was one pixel last year. Which given the rubbish resolution, and the fact the frame may not have been taken at exactly the point the ball left the players foot, means that there will always be a margin of error. Using one pixel didn't allow for that error. By making the line thicker, and allowing overlapping lines to be considered onside removes the margin of error. like i said before with reference to the Euros, the difference there was they seemingly didnt draw lines, they didnt get the geometry kit out and spend 5 mins clawing over it trying to find some milometer reason to disallow it 20 seconds, looks offside then he's offside, if the answer is "oooh i dunno" then what did the lino give? onside? then he's onside **** all these lines and margin of error and all that guff, does he look offside yes or no? apply some common sense to it all, instead we have PGMOL trying to come up with the cleverest person in the room solution to it all when nobody wants that shit, offside as a science...get out of it edit - and the other main thing is VAR is not part of the entertainment...dont make it this big song and dance and present it like its great for the viewer! its not, just do your job and keep it in house, all this big screen VAR check nonsense has to go, i dont want sky showing me the lines and debating it endlessly, im happy with a box in the corner saying VAR check done Edited August 2, 2021 by villa4europe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 I don't get the line thickness either to be honest. A line is a line and they used the furthest extremity of the line to decipher if it was on or off, so you could have 100 metre thick lines and based on the same process it wouldn't make a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, AndyClarke said: I don't get the line thickness either to be honest. A line is a line and they used the furthest extremity of the line to decipher if it was on or off, so you could have 100 metre thick lines and based on the same process it wouldn't make a difference. They're accepting any overlap as 'onside'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a m ole Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 minute ago, AndyClarke said: I don't get the line thickness either to be honest. A line is a line and they used the furthest extremity of the line to decipher if it was on or off, so you could have 100 metre thick lines and based on the same process it wouldn't make a difference. Thickness is the wrong phrase, the proposal in essentially for the line to be slightly further behind the defender. Enough to allow for ‘level’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyClarke Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Ahh, ok, cheers guys. Ollie will be triple figures then........for hitting the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Blokes looked really sharp in preseason. Looks alot better than the start of last season. I'm super excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 3 hours ago, a m ole said: Thickness is the wrong phrase, the proposal in essentially for the line to be slightly further behind the defender. Enough to allow for ‘level’. Girth? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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