CVByrne Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Fully agree, with Jack fit for the season he would have created more chances and Ollie would have scored more goals. The issue with Watkins is not Watkins fault. If he gets injured we have Wesley as our only option. So we need another Centre Forward, Tammy is available but given his cost he would be signed to start and that would mean shifting Watkins moving to left Forward. Alternatively we sign a wide forward who can / has played at CF. It's a difficult one for Deano and Lange to decide upon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MrBlack Posted May 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2021 Hes scored a fair few you wouldn't expect him to, missed a few you would expect him to score, and had at least 2 wrongly ruled out. Overall, he's been exceptional, and I cannot wait to see him improve his figures when we extend our squad depth next year. I'd back him to get 20 next season. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TRO Posted May 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) I have seen strikers score more goals than Ollie in a season and I have not been anymore impressed, with their game, like I am with him. I would be loathe to move Ollie anywhere other than where he is.....we will do well to fight off the predators, because in my view, he is one of the best around. He will score more in a more complete season, with our best player in attendance.....His overall game, is so complete, just needs a few more around him, allowing him the freedom to work the area. I think he is a fabulous player......and I don't say that very often. Edited May 20, 2021 by TRO 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, PaulC said: Hes level with Joachim as our highest goal scorer in a Premier League season. Hope he beats it against Chelsea Didn't benteke get 19 in one season? Edit - I beg your pardon you're talking about English strikers. Edited May 20, 2021 by Sulberto21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV82 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sulberto21 said: Didn't benteke get 19 in one season? Watkins is our highest English* goal scorer in a Prem season for Villa. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OutByEaster? Posted May 20, 2021 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2021 It's not just the goals - he chases, harries and gets into defenders - he's quick enough to get onto a bad touch and big enough to knock you over when he get there. He makes great runs, he's got terrific energy, he gets out wide, he creates space for others, he holds the ball up well and he presses defences like he's two men. He's a bully. AND he's scoring goals. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's not just the goals - he chases, harries and gets into defenders - he's quick enough to get onto a bad touch and big enough to knock you over when he get there. He makes great runs, he's got terrific energy, he gets out wide, he creates space for others, he holds the ball up well and he presses defences like he's two men. He's a bully. AND he's scoring goals. Yup, even in a game where he doesn't score a goal or has an assist you still know he's helped out the team every minute he's been on the pitch. Such a vital part in allowing us to play the way we want to play. Hopefully next season he'll have more service and movement from the players around him when we have the ball and more help with pressing when we don't. Edited May 20, 2021 by sne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, TRO said: I have seen strikers score more goals than Ollie in a season and I have not been anymore impressed, with their game, like I am with him. I would be loathe to move Ollie anywhere other than where he is.....we will do well to fight off the predators, because in my view, he is one of the best around. He will score more in a more complete season, with our best player in attendance.....His overall game, is so complete, just needs a few more around him, allowing him the freedom to work the area. I think he is a fabulous player......and I don't say that very often. 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's not just the goals - he chases, harries and gets into defenders - he's quick enough to get onto a bad touch and big enough to knock you over when he get there. He makes great runs, he's got terrific energy, he gets out wide, he creates space for others, he holds the ball up well and he presses defences like he's two men. He's a bully. AND he's scoring goals. Indeed, love him to bits, even with whatever " faults " he might have. I just want him to get some more help. With more support he would really go up another level. He could put most of his effort into actually being a striker! Wouldn't sell him for anything currently. He should be the benchmark for our other signings as well. Even half a team with his workrate would be immense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted May 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2021 Coaches' Voice | Ollie Watkins: Analysed (coachesvoice.com) Interesting tactical breakdown of Ollie etc. Tactical analysis Watkins is a versatile forward comfortable of withdrawing into a deeper position to link play, of contesting more direct passes, and of remaining in the penalty area to pose a close-range threat. When possession is being built he, regardless, favours moving away from his opposing central defenders and drifting towards the left inside channel (below), from where he relishes attacking – with or without the ball – into the spaces between his opposing full-back and central defender before diagonally driving or, less commonly passing, infield. For all that it is his preference to attack from the left, there is a consistency to Watkins conceding the ball in equal measure across the width of the pitch. That he is right-footed makes it easier for defenders to force him away from goal when he is towards the right, and therefore less capable of turning infield on to his left. If the target of more direct play (below), Watkins makes intelligent runs towards the left in an attempt to either pin defenders or run in behind them. Ahead of a more congested midfield third those runs are made into wider territory and followed by him moving back infield at a later stage, having sought to progress around the opposition. The runs he makes also often draw opponents away from the ball; if he can improve to play more penetrative passes, instead of securing the ball and laying it off to teammates to instead build attacks, he can become an even more valuable teammate. Like so many attacking players, Watkins’ focus is to work the ball into a position from which he can shoot; during moments of transition he regularly seeks to take possession into spaces in the centre to do so, and his potential to create shooting opportunities makes him a consistent threat. By moving towards the left, he can then take possession back on to his favoured foot and shoot across goal, when his technique is more fluid, or cut the ball back towards the near post. That goalscoring threat also exists in the air – owing mostly to his positioning, instead of his movement. Watkins correctly times his jumps, having found space early as the cross travels, freeing him up to concentrate on his jump and timing it to leap over his direct opponent. The movements he offers inside the penalty area are made to reach lower crosses or cut-backs delivered across goal; his explosiveness also makes him effective at reaching those played towards the front post, which he often does by impressively moving blindside of the first defender. When he is required to defend he is at his most valuable during moments of transition, when he makes regains in advanced territory (below), and successfully counter-presses. Once the ball has been regained, Watkins quickly progresses play by aggressively dribbling, or penetrative off-the-ball movements. Role at Aston Villa Where at Brentford, Watkins was mostly used towards the left of a front three, at Villa he has become their leading, central attacker. They regularly seek to play long passes to him, because of his ability to secure and progress the ball, often before their attacks are continued by their creative midfielders. Jack Grealish’s influence is such that he leads so many of their attacks from his nominal starting position on the left, where Watkins’ movements have enhanced Grealish’s potential and given him increased freedom to run at opponents while Matt Targett overlaps from left-back to provide a further forward passing option. Further movements towards the left from an attacking central midfielder – Ross Barkley combined well with Grealish and Watkins during 2020/21 – often freed Watkins from needing to support, and invited him to instead attack through the centre (below) or to target the near post. In addition to those into the penalty area (below), there are also occasions when runs are made towards the wide areas of the pitch from Villa’s central midfielders, increasing Grealish’s freedom, and others when runs are even made beyond Watkins as he withdraws into a deeper position – when his ability to pin defenders buys time for those in midfield to reposition. Unless Bertrand Traoré is favoured there, more direct runs are made from the right. Should Traoré start from the right, as is increasingly the case, his willingness to drive past opponents and to penetrate forwards with the ball at his feet means he rarely requires a passing option, unless seeking to combine and for possession to be quickly returned to him, and therefore that Watkins often holds his central position. It is from those areas that he is so suitable a target for both cut-backs and crosses – whether low or aerial. That Villa rarely dominate possession means they spend significant periods defending, and that Watkins so regularly leads the first phase of their press. Most commonly doing so from a mid-block, he works in both directions, and has therefore made regains towards both sides of the pitch. His individual press often represents the trigger for Villa’s midfield to push forwards, when they aggressively take opponents or cover the closest spaces in an attempt to block forward passes. Watkins’ work ethic, when doing so, is admirable, and proves most effective when he is supported by Villa’s two wide forwards. His willingness to press, and ability to decelerate and duel for possession, was also rewarded with goals against Everton and Liverpool during 2020/21. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Watkins is a stalker, he is without a doubt a football stalker, he will hound you, he will harrass you, he will stick to your behind like a fly around shit. Without a doubt he is one player I would not like to have on my case, I bet there are many players who have nightmares after games with him. You can bet when it comes to next season the moment we start playing teams some players are going to look at Watkins and think not this F'ing guy again. I mean if Watkins takes all that he's learnt in and it makes him even better at doing what he does now then God help the defenses of this league. I am actually starting to feel sorry for them in a slight way, it must be head mashing. Let's face it how many goals he's on now? Around 14? He would of been over twenty I reckon if there were no bad ref decisions or vars throwing his goals out, I think our season would of certainly been better. Watkins is such a wonder player for us that we've waited for such a long time for a striker like him to come through the door and be ace at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 13 hours ago, villa4europe said: me too would expect us to take 3 striker and i think watkins is a better option than tammy and bamford though due to his pressing which makes him a slightly different option, he can also stretch the line better than any of them southgate being southgate though... Tbf to the diving word removed. His pressing stats are equally as good if not better than watkins' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-R Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 13 hours ago, villa4europe said: me too would expect us to take 3 striker and i think watkins is a better option than tammy and bamford though due to his pressing which makes him a slightly different option, he can also stretch the line better than any of them southgate being southgate though... This whole Watkins is better than Tammy is very strange. I believe if we never had of got Tammy on loan and Tammy did what he did which is everything Watkins does for us now, we would never of had Watkins at all. Tammy came to us and set the championship on fire and it wasn't just his goals. I have to wonder with some of you do you just remember Tammy's goals because I remember so much more. I remember how Tammy would hound players and pounce on mistakes, I also remember how Tammy would need as many chances as to what Watkins does now, both are very similar in the way they play. There are areas where Tammy is better and areas where Watkins is better. Without Tammy as Smith became to understand what he could do, I just don't think Smith would of fantasised over Watkins and finally pulled in Watkins in the end. Sure Watkins is older but between he and Tammy they just operate slightly different. I think both have a lot to give this club and Tammy always says here and there that he feels there's unfinished business here, he loved it here and he was like he was he all his life. I would not say no to having both of them at this club, I really wouldn't, that would be an heck of a frontline with those two at Villa subbing for each other. If Watkins went down and injured, I couldn't think of anybody better to do what Watkins does now and that's all because Tammy himself does all that what Watkins does. We should all feel confident that either one or the other if one is injured could easy carry in the others work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Dave-R said: This whole Watkins is better than Tammy is very strange. I believe if we never had of got Tammy on loan and Tammy did what he did which is everything Watkins does for us now, we would never of had Watkins at all. Tammy came to us and set the championship on fire and it wasn't just his goals. I have to wonder with some of you do you just remember Tammy's goals because I remember so much more. I remember how Tammy would hound players and pounce on mistakes, I also remember how Tammy would need as many chances as to what Watkins does now, both are very similar in the way they play. There are areas where Tammy is better and areas where Watkins is better. Without Tammy as Smith became to understand what he could do, I just don't think Smith would of fantasised over Watkins and finally pulled in Watkins in the end. Sure Watkins is older but between he and Tammy they just operate slightly different. I think both have a lot to give this club and Tammy always says here and there that he feels there's unfinished business here, he loved it here and he was like he was he all his life. I would not say no to having both of them at this club, I really wouldn't, that would be an heck of a frontline with those two at Villa subbing for each other. If Watkins went down and injured, I couldn't think of anybody better to do what Watkins does now and that's all because Tammy himself does all that what Watkins does. We should all feel confident that either one or the other if one is injured could easy carry in the others work. Smith already said watkins was the bets of the Brentford players when he was their manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 20, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 20, 2021 We can look at all the stats in the world but Ollie has stepped up a level every time and been successful - he will do it for England, no doubt whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, Jareth said: We can look at all the stats in the world but Ollie has stepped up a level every time and been successful - he will do it for England, no doubt whatsoever. Indeed. Hourihane had done the same until he hit the PL, and found the championship is his ceiling. Watkins is looking like our best striker in decades in the PL, so expecting him to carry on at intentional level, which is really no better than PL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I think opposition players can stab Ollie or shoot him and no foul will be given Without being OTT he could be on 20 goals without the shitty refereeing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulberto21 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Zatman said: I think opposition players can stab Ollie or shoot him and no foul will be given Without being OTT he could be on 20 goals without the shitty refereeing Agreed 100% . It's a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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birdman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 13 hours ago, MrBlack said: Indeed. Hourihane had done the same until he hit the PL, and found the championship is his ceiling. Watkins is looking like our best striker in decades in the PL, so expecting him to carry on at intentional level, which is really no better than PL. Hourihane held back by his workrate. You need that as a minimum in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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