The_Steve Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: Don't think it was a pen, but don't see how the ref can call that a dive either, and really don't think he deserves to be made an example of by jermaine **** jenas on motd. Gutted for him watching that tonight after his efforts and bad luck this year Jenas - bang average player and pundit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Was Watkins the 1st yellow card of the Premier League season for diving as well? Farcicial league, i actually wish these scumbags went to the super league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yayoboy Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, icouldtelltheworld said: Don't think it was a pen, but don't see how the ref can call that a dive either, and really don't think he deserves to be made an example of by jermaine **** jenas on motd. Gutted for him watching that tonight after his efforts and bad luck this year His last name rhymes with what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted May 9, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 minute ago, yayoboy said: His last name rhymes with what he is. Heinous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yayoboy Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Heinous? That too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 It is simply yet another example of how corrupt the game is unfortunately. It is way beyond simple errors by officials especially as now even VAR has been adapted to suit. The way they get around it all is by adding the "we won't change the on field ref decision unless it's clear & obvious" Or in other words "we can design the outcome of the game however we wish by only changing something when we want to". It's all a joke and again here we are in the run in when this "result tinkering" comes to the fore year in, year out. I've been reading some of the comments from Man U fans saying they are surprised it wasn't a penalty for us. Of course they would be surprised as if that was a Man U player it would 100% be a penalty 100% of the time. As for Jenas on MOTD he is a muppet and sees things through White & blue specs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I'm gonna go against the grain here. I thought that was a dive but I wouldn't have been so sure on it that I would've given it a yellow. If you look at the reaction on reddit, it seems like they mostly think the ref got it spot on. And its not just Man united or top 6 fans saying it. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/n8fvch/ollie_watkins_second_yellow_card_against/ Usually when there's a large disagreement between the reaction on here and over there, I tend to agree with those guys more. And this is no exception. We're more prone to bias after all considering its our team and our player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Laughable Chimp said: I'm gonna go against the grain here. I thought that was a dive but I wouldn't have been so sure on it that I would've given it a yellow. If you look at the reaction on reddit, it seems like they mostly think the ref got it spot on. And its not just Man united or top 6 fans saying it. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/n8fvch/ollie_watkins_second_yellow_card_against/ Usually when there's a large disagreement between the reaction on here and over there, I tend to agree with those guys more. And this is no exception. We're more prone to bias after all considering its our team and our player. I don't think it's so much in dispute that it was a "dive" moreso that had a Man U player done that it 100% would have been a "mis-timed challenge from the keeper resulting in a penalty as there was clear contact". That is the real issue here for me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Just now, danceoftheshamen said: I don't think it's so much in dispute that it was a "dive" moreso that had a Man U player done that it 100% would have been a "mis-timed challenge from the keeper resulting in a penalty as there was clear contact". That is the real issue here for me. Ah, consistency? We can only speculate about that. I also don't really buy into that narrative that much. Feels like a convenient bogeyman whenever referee results don't go our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sulberto21 Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 It looks like he has tried to avoid contact with the keepers blades which would have sliced him on the thigh if he kept his running pattern. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 (edited) For me it's abundantly obvious @Laughable Chimp. So much evidence of it it's ridiculous so way beyond mere speculation. I respect your viewpoint of course and accept we maybe see it differently although if you trace Man U games against whoever over a long period it's it very clear. For me if it got highlighted more it would eventually lead to a bit less of a blatant bias in the key decisions which we and many other clubs suffer season in season out against them and a few of the other scummy 6. I don't mind us losing fair & square but i despise losing against those teams when there is dodgyness afoot. Edited May 9, 2021 by danceoftheshamen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Kane gets away with it all the time. See this one against Wolves earlier in the season https://wittyfutty.com/2020/12/video-harry-kane-tries-to-get-a-penalty-with-a-dive-vs-wolves/?amp&__twitter_impression=true And someone even created a twitter feed for all of Salah's Salah has no yellows this season, Kane has 1 but for a sliding tackle It's absolutely double standards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Yep. I don't mind if that's a dive if it's called a dive everywhere, because I think he saw the contact coming and made sure he went down, but that was apparently the first yellow for a dive in the PL this season? There is absolutely no way in 1,000,000 years Kane or Salah or Fernandes get a yellow for diving there. It's pure corruption. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderPower_14 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Reminds me of us having that goal chalked off against Palace for Grealish going down after contact and a pass and not even appealing for the pen. Never ever happens to big teams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Absolute joke of a decision. Hope it doesn’t cost him a place in the Euros squad in front of the watching Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 9 hours ago, villa4europe said: Go on YouTube, search for the highlights of man utd vs Southampton, watch the foul for the penalty that utd win and the Southampton defender got sent off Now say that Ollie dived and deserved a red Its utter bollocks, man utd get awarded a penalty for that incident, its there for everyone to see, its not theoretical or villa bias it happened back on my laptop so can link it - WAHNSINN - Red Devils stellen Rekord ein! | Man United-Southampton 9:0 | Highlights - Premier League - YouTube watch from 2.18 and tell me its not bollocks, martial's is even **** worse but of course man utd get their penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picicata Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Does the keeper make contact with him? No. Does he have to move out the way of the keepers leg in order to avoid injury? Yes. Clearly a bullshit decision but at least he is only out for one game rather than the several he would have missed if he had allowed the keeper's flailing foot to make contact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 10, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2021 The hypocrisy of Man United getting a penalty for diving is almost enough to make me vomit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, picicata said: Does the keeper make contact with him? No. Does he have to move out the way of the keepers leg in order to avoid injury? Yes. Clearly a bullshit decision but at least he is only out for one game rather than the several he would have missed if he had allowed the keeper's flailing foot to make contact. But the keeper did make contact with him... The argument against Ollie is that his feet left the ground before the contact, which like you say his him preparing for the incoming contact / getting out of the way of it The suggestion that what he should of done is just ran in a straight line, anticipated nothing and just smashed in to Henderson injuring both players is nonsensical 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted May 10, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, villa4europe said: But the keeper did make contact with him... The argument against Ollie is that his feet left the ground before the contact, which like you say his him preparing for the incoming contact / getting out of the way of it The suggestion that what he should of done is just ran in a straight line, anticipated nothing and just smashed in to Henderson injuring both players is nonsensical Agreed. It's tantamount to the instruction for Mings to "just hoof it" when somebody from a clearly offside position tries to challenge him, a la Man City. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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