lexicon Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 He had a bad one today. That's out of character for him though and that's just the way it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 I love Watkins but I feel like "no service" is a bit of a cop out he gets sometimes. He was awful tonight, even if he doesn't have chances he usually offers something but tonight nothing came off for him (granted he came close with the header off the post). Cant fault the effort but zero quality, it happens and I'm sure he'll bounce back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Just now, Indigo said: I love Watkins but I feel like "no service" is a bit of a cop out he gets sometimes. He was awful tonight, even if he doesn't have chances he usually offers something but tonight nothing came off for him (granted he came close with the header off the post). Cant fault the effort but zero quality, it happens and I'm sure he'll bounce back. I agree with everything but the first sentence. Honestly name a chance one of the other players created for him tonight? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, nick76 said: I agree with everything but the first sentence. Honestly name a chance one of the other players created for him tonight? That's my point though. He's not a player that always gets into scoring areas because he's one of the most selfless strikers going, and on the whole we judge him based on his overall game as a consequence. There's been games this season where I thought he's been brilliant despite not being able to think of a chance he's had in it, never mind scored, but this isn't one of them. He had a shocker today and not having service or not doesn't really change that. Still having a great season and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him bounce straight back at the weekend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, nick76 said: He got no service from anybody, no through balls, no decent crosses, no nothing...I thought he look dejected as time went on. He was given nothing tonight. He used like a workhorse by Smith. If he wasnt as good tonight its no wonder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 For me we are overworking Watkins - he’s being asked to work too hard in areas that don’t hurt the opposition and consequently he’s not got the quick acceleration for the two or three killer runs that matter. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t make runs and defend from the front but I feel that the effort needs to be balanced 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Feel sorry for him, he's being run into the ground in every game and never gets a break. I'd say he'll sleep through the summer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 He needs to hit the weights a bit .... so often he gets blatantly fouled and I think refs just look at him and think , nah a gust of wind blew him over ...The non-pen today being one of many examples he’s good but he can become even better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poitier Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 He was frustrating today, quite often he did the hard part of collecting a long ball under pressure but then gave it away with a lazy lay off. He had some nice link up play with AEG at times though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 He needs to be a bit more canny at winning free kicks. When he gets fouled he just gets up and looks at the ref looking like like someone stole his lollipop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Must just be me, but I don't think he 'had a shocker' at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Must just be me, but I don't think he 'had a shocker' at all. Well 'had a shocker' on VT means that he didn't play well, such is the way things are classified here. He didn't play well IMO but at worst it was like, what, a 5? That's not good, but 'a shocker' has to actually have some meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffer85 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 Probably needs a rest but when you only have one striker what do you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, lexicon said: Well 'had a shocker' on VT means that he didn't play well, such is the way things are classified here. He didn't play well IMO but at worst it was like, what, a 5? That's not good, but 'a shocker' has to actually have some meaning. I agree about the devaluation of the word 'shocker', but I would even say Watkins did, in fact, play pretty well. He made some good runs in the channels, made space that others didn't take advantage of, and should have had at least one assist (McGinn on circa 10 minutes), an outside possibility of another (Traore's header), and had one of his own come back off the post. In my opinion he was our 3rd best player, and the best player who wasn't a centre back, and I just don't have much of a problem with that performance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I agree about the devaluation of the word 'shocker', but I would even say Watkins did, in fact, play pretty well. He made some good runs in the channels, made space that others didn't take advantage of, and should have had at least one assist (McGinn on circa 10 minutes), an outside possibility of another (Traore's header), and had one of his own come back off the post. In my opinion he was our 3rd best player, and the best player who wasn't a centre back, and I just don't have much of a problem with that performance. Fair enough - for me I think he played a lot better without the ball than with it. His touch was just off tonight - nothing really worked for him and while I can't knock him for the work rate, there wasn't a whole lot of quality there. Ordinarily for us that wouldn't be an issue, but we did pay a fuckload of money for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 1 hour ago, VillaCas said: For me we are overworking Watkins - he’s being asked to work too hard in areas that don’t hurt the opposition and consequently he’s not got the quick acceleration for the two or three killer runs that matter. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t make runs and defend from the front but I feel that the effort needs to be balanced I think you are bang on the money. He needs to be more confined to the box.....we are diluting his effectiveness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I think there’s a real player there but he needs to find that final nasty streak, for me he should be stretching every sinew to get on the end of things or to get that killer shot away but somehow he just lacks that. There was a situation today when a ball came over and he should absolutely have owned it and seen nothing but the goal.. instead he saw Traore and politely waved him on to take the shot instead. of course a lame weak effort was the result. Re-run that moment with Harry Kane instead of Watkins and for me it would have been a chance which he seized and would likely have been in the bottom corner of the net. That sums up what he’s lacking at the moment for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I too did not think he had a poor game at all. He was just Watkins. He has some incredible touches He has some shocking touches He works incredibly hard He might go for long times without getting a clear cut chance, then he might score a few in succession. Thats Ollie in a nutshell. Yes we lost to the bottom team in the league, who for a third of the game had 10 men. But that doesn’t necessarily mean every one of our players was awful. it was an awful result, it really was. But they scored pretty much the only real chance they had, and on another day we could have had 3 or 4. McGinn poor finish, Traore mazy run, Watkins post, Konsa Volley A log of comments in various threads ut how that was our worst performance. it really really wasn’t. Worst result? Yes. Worst performance - not even close. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazmonkey Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 12 hours ago, Indigo said: I love Watkins but I feel like "no service" is a bit of a cop out he gets sometimes. He was awful tonight, even if he doesn't have chances he usually offers something but tonight nothing came off for him (granted he came close with the header off the post). Cant fault the effort but zero quality, it happens and I'm sure he'll bounce back. He does get service but its very poor. Long balls at 100 mph with three defenders round him. Then should he bring it down he then has to wait for eternity for any support. Watkins is not a 'play alone upfront player', he scores goals on the front foot, being played in. At brentford he had this. We play too rigid with wingers and no one is near him to support. He then gets forced out wide and often has a speculative shot from far out...this is where Traore or El Ghazi should be...not on the wings all the time....he could be more central then. The main problem is the way we play...to slow....either playing forward or crossing it in....yes he had a good header last night but thats rare.....Cross after cross...against 6ft defenders...aint going work. Look at his goals...all played in quick...either behind the defence.....grealish arsenal.....or an early cross to slide in. He is doing all the work the so called wingers should be doing. If he played in a team with more support round him....Leicester...who have Barnes....Maddison....Vardy all working 'together' he would score way more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 12 hours ago, nick76 said: I agree with everything but the first sentence. Honestly name a chance one of the other players created for him tonight? The one he flicked on to the bar, not sure who crossed it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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