MrBlack Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, bobzy said: Oh, you definitely turn 25 after 24. Maybe when someone asks you how old you are, your response is "I'm turning <x>" - as I said before, I might be old fashioned. Ollie Watkins is 24. I would describe him as being 24. Your view on what a good season is may be interesting. To quote the figures given by @villaglint (I can't be arsed checking them myself ): 19/20 - 50 games - 26 goals, 3 assists - 47 games at CF 18/19 - 45 games - 12 goals, 9 assists - 21 games LW, 20 RW, 3 CF 17/18 - 48 games, 11 goals, 5 assists - 36 games LW, 5 CF. 6 RW 16/17 - League 2 - 52 games, 16 goals, 13 assists - 30 games CF, rest all over the place To me, that's 4 good seasons in a row, showing improvement each time. It's pretty much what you'd expect from a young player getting better at his trade. he's basically been involved in a goal every 2 games for his last 2 seasons, and a goal every 3 games at worst, for 4 seasons in a row. That's decent! For comparison, Grealish's figures are: 19/20 (Prem) - 36 games - 8 goals, 6 assists 18/19 - 34 games - 6 goals, 7 assists 17/18 - 30 games - 3 goals, 6 assists 16/17 - 31 games - 5 goals, 2 assists Similar sort of thing, to me. Improving stats over time, as he gets better at what he's doing. Really not very impressive figures when noted down like that - maybe you'd consider him a "no season wonder" - but around 1 goal involvement every 3 games, 1 every 4 at worst. I just don't see him as a one season wonder at all. I'm amazed anyone looks at this at says "ah, he's only done it once". Sure, the most recent season is the one that is most relevant to any upcoming transfer and would naturally inflate his fee - and it should do, he's had a fantastic season - but it really is just a story of progression, at least statistically. Grealish is sh*t, sell him. Edit: not sure i have the reputation to carry the sarcasm so I'll clarify, joking aside, those stats and jonjon's commentary on his attitude have pretty much sold me on Watkins. Hope it happens! (And we dont sell Grealish) Edited August 7, 2020 by MrBlack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 The point about his age is simply that he is now in the middle of his career and has not yet achieved a lot. You can no longer describe him as a ‘prospect’ in the same way you could with Abraham or someone of that age. Hence the decision to make on him is whether this is as good as he’s going to get and whether that is going to be good enough for the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post It's Your Round Posted August 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2020 Ollie Watkins’ age is this year’s Tommy Elphick’s height. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LondonLax said: The point about his age is simply that he is now in the middle of his career and has not yet achieved a lot. You can no longer describe him as a ‘prospect’ in the same way you could with Abraham or someone of that age. Hence the decision to make on him is whether this is as good as he’s going to get and whether that is going to be good enough for the Premier League. 24 is not the middle age of a professional footballers' career ffs. What is going on Edited August 7, 2020 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said: I watched Brentford on the TV a lot last season (every televised game I think). You only have to watch the work Watkins gets through in 90 minutes to realise what an asset he could be for Villa if we were to sign him. No one who works that hard will ever be "a one season wonder". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobzy Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, It's Your Round said: Ollie Watkins’ age is this year’s Tommy Elphick’s height. Can we even play someone who is turning 42 and a 3ft 4 defender in the same team if we have Januzaj on loan? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicho Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 25 pages and countless others in the summer transfer thread for someone we havnt confirmed to have bid for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, bobzy said: 24 is not the middle age of a professional footballers' career ffs. What is going on Surely it’s something like 19-23 - young prospect, 24-28 - middle of the career, 29-32 - end of the career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan-scott Posted August 7, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, bobzy said: 24 is not the middle age of a professional footballers' career ffs. What is going on Yeah but he’s turning 25 sooo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Who knows how long a career is Zlatan is turning 39 in 2 months (just to be clear that means he is 38 now) and is still great while André Schürrle just retired at the age of 29. And that's not even taking injuries into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_a Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, bobzy said: Can we even play someone who is turning 42 and a 3ft 4 defender in the same team if we have Januzaj on loan? It's 50/50 on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, villaglint said: Sorry to be all stat pedant on you but this bit isn't true either. 18/19 - 6th highest scorers - 11th place in league. 17/18 - 9th highest scorers - 9th place in league. What about chance creation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philosopher said: What about chance creation? I absolutely love that we are getting stuck into Brentford’s chance creation in 2017/18 in a discussion about a player who may well not even be a target for us. What a wonderful sport football is 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, bobzy said: Oh, you definitely turn 25 after 24. Maybe when someone asks you how old you are, your response is "I'm turning <x>" - as I said before, I might be old fashioned. Ollie Watkins is 24. I would describe him as being 24. Your view on what a good season is may be interesting. To quote the figures given by @villaglint (I can't be arsed checking them myself ): 19/20 - 50 games - 26 goals, 3 assists - 47 games at CF 18/19 - 45 games - 12 goals, 9 assists - 21 games LW, 20 RW, 3 CF 17/18 - 48 games, 11 goals, 5 assists - 36 games LW, 5 CF. 6 RW 16/17 - League 2 - 52 games, 16 goals, 13 assists - 30 games CF, rest all over the place To me, that's 4 good seasons in a row, showing improvement each time. It's pretty much what you'd expect from a young player getting better at his trade. he's basically been involved in a goal every 2 games for his last 2 seasons, and a goal every 3 games at worst, for 4 seasons in a row. That's decent! For comparison, Grealish's figures are: 19/20 (Prem) - 36 games - 8 goals, 6 assists 18/19 - 34 games - 6 goals, 7 assists 17/18 - 30 games - 3 goals, 6 assists 16/17 - 31 games - 5 goals, 2 assists Similar sort of thing, to me. Improving stats over time, as he gets better at what he's doing. Really not very impressive figures when noted down like that - maybe you'd consider him a "no season wonder" - but around 1 goal involvement every 3 games, 1 every 4 at worst. I just don't see him as a one season wonder at all. I'm amazed anyone looks at this at says "ah, he's only done it once". Sure, the most recent season is the one that is most relevant to any upcoming transfer and would naturally inflate his fee - and it should do, he's had a fantastic season - but it really is just a story of progression, at least statistically. Good post. I have no problems with gradual progression as a championship player, but I think it's reasonable to expect average based performance through out several seasons, before spending £ 20 + million on him. Spending that amount of money on Watkins when he's only really shined one season is risky business. Benhrama arguably less so in that regards. But I like Watkins and ultimately I just want Deano to get the players he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: I absolutely love that we are getting stuck into Brentford’s chance creation in 2017/18 in a discussion about a player who may well not even be a target for us. What a wonderful sport football is Well I'm more concerned about their chance creation in 19/20 actually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest av1 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said: Good post. I have no problems with gradual progression as a championship player, but I think it's reasonable to expect average based performance through out several seasons, before spending £ 20 + million on him. Spending that amount of money on Watkins when he's only really shined one season is risky business. Benhrama arguably less so in that regards. But I like Watkins and ultimately I just want Deano to get the players he wants. But before this season he played on the wing. Do 16, 11, and 12 goals respectively in 3yrs on wing (prior to his 26 goals as a CF) suggest a good level of performance over a 4yr period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cizzler Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, Nicho said: 25 pages and countless others in the summer transfer thread for someone we havnt confirmed to have bid for 25 pages isn’t even the prime of a thread’s career 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruff Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 So he's performed better then Grealish did while they were both playing in the championship(in terms of goals and assists) . Seems to have a great physiology and mentality. He's been improving year after year, and it's arguably 3-4 years until he's at his peak. There's no guarantee he'll make the step up. But I'd say yes please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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