sne Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: Yep....Everyone would've been happy on us splashing 30 -35m on Tammy blast year, and probably 40-50m now. I just think it's the going rate these days for a tier 2 A grader CF with his prime ahead of him. If he make the step up he'll be worth 60plus so I'm not alarmed to be honest. It also put's into perspective how much of a bargain Wes could turn out to be if he comes back stronger from his setback. A few big IF's in that post. £33m is about €10m less than Chelsea paid for Werner and almost €15m more than what Dortmund paid for Haaland in January. We could never get those players but on a striclty value for money view it shows what's out there when you are not forced to pay the Championship/PL premium. It's a eye watering sum for any Championship player. Edited September 8, 2020 by sne 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: I know. I have been playing football manager since before it was football manager. I was on the original LMA manager. When I wasnt playing that I was playing Alex Ferguson player manager on the PS1. I know. I know what it takes to get a deal over the line. Are you coming out as satire after all this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Made In Aston said: Watkins' stats suggest he is good enough to make the step up. Also don't forget we paid over £25m for Mings, a player who had barely kicked a ball in the PL. That was still a value buy as he is worth over 40m now. Yes this is true but again slightly different circumstances. Mings had played an absolutely crucial part in getting us promoted and Smith even admits he had to overpay reluctantly to get him. In hindsight it was money well spent of course, but Mings was still part of a backline that conceded 67 goals. As I say if Watkins gets the goals to improve us it's a decent signing, but undoubtedly a risk at that price. Let's see who else comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepal_villan Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 The reported fee seems exorbitant to me for a Championship player. Smith must have really wanted him or we did not enough alternative options. Anyway, happy we got this over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted September 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 Well it's not my money and if the scouting team think Watkins is the man then I'm on board. In terms of FFP it is the wages that are much more significant than the transfer fees, so as long as we are not smashing our wage structure to get him in (very unlikely for a championship player I'd say) then I see no issue with the outlay. Given that the £100m overall spend has been bandied about in the press this summer, it shouldn't curtail our spending elsewhere hopefully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Don't know why people keep quoting '£33m' it will only reach that amount if he hits certain targets and if he does then he will have been more than worth that amount. As it stands the fee is £28m, which is still a lot, but that's around what Leeds were asking for Phillips last year and what Brentford were asking for Benrahma, we didn't pay those prices but half way into the season a lot of people were wishing that we did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaFaninLondon Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, sne said: A few big IF's in that post. £33m is about €10m less than Chelsea paid for Werner and almost €15m more than what Dortmund paid for Haaland in January. It's a eye watering sum for any Championship player. Absolutely, especially when you look at the Haaland and Werner fees. Let's back the guy but not pretend we've not potentially overspent here. You have to hope the club knows what they're doing and are confident he can excel in the Prem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, PieFacE said: Well, last season I think a lot of us on here was disappointed that we missed out on Maupay as that was obviously Smith's choice of striker. I for one, am glad we're not going to be moaning about the same shit again this season with posts stating 'If only we didn't miss out on Watkins'. The fee is the fee and fair play to Brentford, all we can do is sign him and we're doing just that. I'd rather us pay a bit more now and get it over the line than trying to haggle a few million and risk losing out altogether. We cant keep gambling on signings by paying huge fees on untested player . Wes samatta nakamba trez all inproven and struggled after doing well in the leagies we signed them from this watkins deal is a bigger risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, The Fun Factory said: oops. I meant Hogan. Edit your post to "the last striker" that we got from them, and everyone will be none the wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, sne said: A few big IF's in that post. £33m is about €10m less than Chelsea paid for Werner and almost €15m more than what Dortmund paid for Haaland in January. It's a eye watering sum for any Championship player. It is....Think about it though. As an example, Werner is an extra 10m and 100k extra in wages a week. Over a 4-5 years. Not as cheap either tbh. Its not really 10m more now but potentially 35m. I'm not being precise but that's how you have to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Got a good feeling about this one. Quality signing. Not fussed about the extra 8 million over Wilson's price. 33M if he performs. Also see performance fees Haller 45M and Joelinton 40M. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, sne said: A few big IF's in that post. £33m is about €10m less than Chelsea paid for Werner and almost €15m more than what Dortmund paid for Haaland in January. We could never get those players but on a striclty value for money view it shows what's out there when you are not forced to pay the Championship/PL premium. It's a eye watering sum for any Championship player. Both had release clauses that were matched so their fees aren't at all relevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Pretty sure both Halaand and Werner had buyout clauses that's why they cost less than Watkins, and will probably cost twice as much as him in wages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted September 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, villan501 said: We cant keep gambling on signings by paying huge fees on untested player . Wes samatta nakamba trez all inproven and struggled after doing well in the leagies we signed them from this watkins deal is a bigger risk. So... We need to spend big money on proven players is what you're saying I guess. Would like to know which proven players we could attract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntrimBlack Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, The Rosk said: Why not? Can it not be seen that we're now clearly investing in talent and building for the future no matter what cost? Just in my opinion that we needed a couple of quality proven additions in particular positions this window in order not to have the same struggle as last season. Striker was one of those positions, and I am not sure Watkins fits the bill. But we shall see, and if we do sign him, as looks likely, he will naturally have my wholehearted support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 55 minutes ago, bielesibub said: You saying that we should sign someone like Paul the Octopus? Get this man on the scouting team ASAP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Sam-AVFC said: Both had release clauses that were matched so their fees aren't at all relevant. So we are not allowed to buy players with buy out clauses? Every transfer is subject to circumstances. Contract lenght, clauses and so on. Again these 2 were not mentioned as players we could have gotten but as examples that there are deal out there to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, PieFacE said: So... We need to spend big money on proven players is what you're saying I guess. Would like to know which proven players we could attract. So Piatek now hertha isnt worth trying would be alot less than 33mil thats for sure top league experience aswell. Thauvin linked said he want to stay. Test the water pit a bid get to comtract stage and sell the god dam club. Villa communicate poorly i bet they are like.rabbit in headlights. Fraser on a freebie also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, avfc1982am said: It is....Think about it though. As an example, Werner is an extra 10m and 100k extra in wages a week. Over a 4-5 years. Not as cheap either tbh. Its not really 10m more now but potentially 35m. I'm not being precise but that's how you have to look at it. Also with Haaland, it was a release clause, there was said to be 25M in agent fees also. I think Werner was release clause too. I have little doubt that those deals will blow the Ollie Watkins out of the water with agent fees, signing on fees and wages. Everyone pays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 £7 million sell on fee to Exeter is pretty massive for them. They must be going nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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