ciggiesnbeer Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 20 minutes ago, messi11 said: Johan Lange Expansion Pack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: I’d just like to try, if at all possible, to correct something I believe to be incorrect but has now been repeated so many times I think people think it’s correct. People seem to think that when Lange was appointed the statement from the club said he would report directly to the owners and this meant he was reporting to Edens and Sawiris. This is simply incorrect for two reasons and doesn’t as some have suggested spell trouble by circumnavigating Purslow. First of all the statement said he would report to the board, the board is Edens, Sawiris AND Purslow. Secondly although a minority shareholder Purslow is also part owner of the club. So even if it did say “owners”, which it didn’t, then this would still include Purslow. The hair is already running and I’ll probably be trying to correct this misconception for months but it’s just wrong. There is nothing to suggest that Purslow’s roll has changed or that the involvement of the two majority owners has become more hands on. All I think the statement confirmed was that Lange isn’t reporting to Smith or Mark Harrison. No I’m pretty sure I read online that he’s working direct for the owners with a side business focused on buying and selling players for profit and only offering the occasional one up as an Aston Villa player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: No I’m pretty sure I read online that he’s working direct for the owners with a side business focused on buying and selling players for profit and only offering the occasional one up as an Aston Villa player. Pretty sure you didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adam2003 Posted July 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, TrentVilla said: Pretty sure you didn’t. I definitely did, just on the last page of this thread. 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted July 31, 2020 Moderator Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: I definitely did, just on the last page of this thread. Riiiigght.... I give up 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 hours ago, villabromsgrove said: When Lange scrutinises the stats for last season he will see two stand out stats in matches where we got a result. 1) Hourihane played. 2)We played with one winger rather than two. I know some of you guys don't think much of Hourihane, but the stats reflect favourable on his valuable contribution to our staying up. Also, one out and out winger is the way forward according to the stats. With hourihane it is because no one else in our team can take set pieces which needs to be fixed. 2nd we played better with only one winger because it meant we could play hourihane with jack, mcginn and Luiz. The one winger is more as a result of the first point rather than a cause itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Ragnick has left Red Bull today, pity we can't find room for him at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, TrentVilla said: I’d just like to try, if at all possible, to correct something I believe to be incorrect but has now been repeated so many times I think people think it’s correct. People seem to think that when Lange was appointed the statement from the club said he would report directly to the owners and this meant he was reporting to Edens and Sawiris. This is simply incorrect for two reasons and doesn’t as some have suggested spell trouble by circumnavigating Purslow. First of all the statement said he would report to the board, the board is Edens, Sawiris AND Purslow. Secondly although a minority shareholder Purslow is also part owner of the club. So even if it did say “owners”, which it didn’t, then this would still include Purslow. The hair is already running and I’ll probably be trying to correct this misconception for months but it’s just wrong. There is nothing to suggest that Purslow’s roll has changed or that the involvement of the two majority owners has become more hands on. All I think the statement confirmed was that Lange isn’t reporting to Smith or Mark Harrison. That dispells my worry, thanks. Edited July 31, 2020 by TRO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cheltenham_villa Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 Simon Jordon Talks Villa Sporting Director Interesting words from Simon Jordon about villas change in sporting director. A bit more insight into the role of the sporting director. Generally positive, behind the character of Simon Jordon I'm often a fan of what he says 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhan_Zhuang Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Yeah I kind of like Jordan and he seems to like Villa because he knows who we are... Exciting times then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 He is always nice about us. Was even looking to come in on a takeover 6 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 31/07/2020 at 21:32, Tomaszk said: Here's what it said in case people are wondering: but, by that....it suggests to me he has a slightly different mandate to the dep't Purslow runs....like a seperate dep't, his own entitiy. He is clearly not reporting directly to Purslow, based on that......He will report to the board like other Directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRichardsonsMoustache Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) The interview with Simon Jordan is interesting and certainly explains the role of SD really well. He said that the SD ‘doesn’t only’ deal with transfers, but I’d like to focus on that aspect (and apologies if this has been covered before): Does the SD, whether it be be Suso or Lange, actually deal with the negotiations to purchase a player, or is there a legal/commercial team at the club who thrash out the financial details of transfers? By this I don’t mean the player’s contract, but rather the minutiae of the deal itself? Would the change in SD perhaps bring us advantages in this area? Edited August 2, 2020 by KevinRichardsonsMoustache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TRO said: but, by that....it suggests to me he has a slightly different mandate to the dep't Purslow runs....like a seperate dep't, his own entitiy. He is clearly not reporting directly to Purslow, based on that......He will report to the board like other Directors. But as purslow sits on the board, as @TrentVilla said, then surely he is in a way, reporting directly to purslow? And, as sawiris and Edens have their fingers in a lot of other pies business wise, then they must entrust the other board member to make the right decisions for the football club. Namely purslow. Edited August 2, 2020 by Mjvilla 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: But as purslow sits on the board, as @TrentVilla said, then surely he is in a way, reporting directly to purslow? My Understanding of Board structures....is not ,No. Purslow, is not the board he is only on it. I am not Privvy to the Villa structure in detail, so I am only picking up stuff reported. But I am clear in the definition, reporting directly to Purslow, is not the same as reporting directly to the board. Everyone who reports directly to Purslow in line management will not attend Board meetings.....It seems to me, by whats being reported, Johan Lange will attend board meetings.....that suggests to me he has his own Department......They may share common interests in the welfare of the club, but that will be overseen in board meetings. Thats my interpretation, from the limited information I have. I almost get the impression the owners want to seperate the financial side of player transfers from the inner workings of the club and not get them all washed up together.....with a view to keep better stock and control of the transfer system. I think Simon Jordan is right, when owners are distant from the day to day workings of the club, transparency is a key component for them to work with. It could in theory work really well, under those circumstances. Edited August 2, 2020 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, TRO said: My Understanding of Board structures....is not ,No. Purslow, is not the board he is only on it. I am not Privvy to the Villa structure in detail, so I am only picking up stuff reported. But I am clear in the definition, reporting directly to Purslow, is not the same as reporting directly to the board. Everyone who reports directly to Purslow in line management will not attend Board meetings.....It seems to me, by whats being reported, Johan Lange will attend board meetings.....that suggests to me he has his own Department......They may share common interests in the welfare of the club, but that will be overseen in board meetings. Thats my interpretation, from the limited information I have. Like you say, it's the way you choose to interpret it. I think you have a far more cynical view on what's going on at villa park... Hence you getting straight onto this thinking of potential fall outs and the like. I have a very more simplistic view where the main 2 rely on purslow, who will be at the club all the time, to make most of the footballing decisions. Hence, Lange reporting to the board, on which purslow sits, isn't anywhere near as cynical as you seem to want it to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_Villain Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 19 hours ago, cheltenham_villa said: Simon Jordon Talks Villa Sporting Director Interesting words from Simon Jordon about villas change in sporting director. A bit more insight into the role of the sporting director. Generally positive, behind the character of Simon Jordon I'm often a fan of what he says He often comes across like a bit of a bellend... but he seems to have a soft spot for us and really dislikes Birmingham City... So I can't help but like him either... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mjvilla said: Like you say, it's the way you choose to interpret it. I think you have a far more cynical view on what's going on at villa park... Hence you getting straight onto this thinking of potential fall outs and the like. I have a very more simplistic view where the main 2 rely on purslow, who will be at the club all the time, to make most of the footballing decisions. Hence, Lange reporting to the board, on which purslow sits, isn't anywhere near as cynical as you seem to want it to be. you seem to have ignored the final 3 lines, where I said on the other hand ,it could work well...... because it doesn't fit the agenda you seek. You are assuming, I want it to be trouble....because thats the view you have of my views......I want Harmony as much as you......but I don't know the personalities, so I am speculating, either way. don't confuse what I think could happen with the reporting procedure itself.......one is a possible scenario, the other is fact....if the reporting procedure has been disclosed properly, there isn't a " he is in a way" .....He either reports to Purslow or he doesn't, that is my entire point......if he is on the board, he works WITH Purslow, not FOR him. Its not looking for trouble....its more about being aware of potential pit falls.......We haven't exactly been a kindergarten organsiation over the last decade or so, so it is hardly searching for downsides....there has been plenty to chew on. I can see why the ownwers have done it.......In my humble opinion, I think the restructuring is designed given more control back to the owners in relation to financing of player transfers, making it more accountable, some could think it is limiting Purslows responsibility, that maybe so,too. Edited August 2, 2020 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, DJ_Villain said: He often comes across like a bit of a bellend... but he seems to have a soft spot for us and really dislikes Birmingham City... So I can't help but like him either... I would call him astute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 On 31/07/2020 at 18:30, MotoMkali said: With hourihane it is because no one else in our team can take set pieces which needs to be fixed. 2nd we played better with only one winger because it meant we could play hourihane with jack, mcginn and Luiz. The one winger is more as a result of the first point rather than a cause itself. I watched a McGinn highlights video before which had him set up a couple of lovely goals from free kicks last season, I didn’t even remember those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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