Demitri_C Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Xela said: Come on Dem, London have the best public transport system in the UK by a million miles. Yes its annoying when the tube line shuts down or there are delays but these things happen everywhere. If my train line is shut down for whatever reason (trespassers, overhead damage to the electric lines, broken down train, etc) I have to either get a taxi home (£25) or wait my turn to get a bus... quite often not getting on the first one or two due to them being rammed and then potentially taking 90 mins to get home after that. The tube is a wonderful system and i'm always in awe of it when I'm in the big smoke. I’m not disputing it’s not better than other places in the uk, but just because the others are not good it doesn’t mean it’s good. its terribly unreliable, small congested Andy the amount of tubes that get cancelled it’s ridiculous. with the problems you highlight it sounds like it’s the lack of services you have where you are. London’s a huge city that’s why we have more services. Smaller towns won’t have as big tube links. In comparisons to the German and Austrian ones I think they are a lot better. This subject is all opinions. I don’t think it’s great to be honest for it’s unreliability factor and the sheer experience. Also tfl platform workers are rude as feck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I’m not disputing it’s not better than other places in the uk, but just because the others are not good it doesn’t mean it’s good. its terribly unreliable, small congested Andy the amount of tubes that get cancelled it’s ridiculous. with the problems you highlight it sounds like it’s the lack of services you have where you are. London’s a huge city that’s why we have more services. Smaller towns won’t have as big tube links. In comparisons to the German and Austrian ones I think they are a lot better. This subject is all opinions. I don’t think it’s great to be honest for it’s unreliability factor and the sheer experience. Also tfl platform workers are rude as feck I live in a suburb of Birmingham mate, not a small town That is the reality of public transport in the second city, a place with a population of over 1m people. The tube may not be perfect for you but it would be amazing for everyone else outside of London. You've probably just become accustomed to it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 38 minutes ago, Xela said: The tube may not be perfect for you but it would be amazing for everyone else outside of London. You've probably just become accustomed to it Probably right there. But i bet if you lived in london and was accustomed to it like i am you would share that same opinion! Its built up years of frustration from a poor service. Also trying to get a refund from TFL is like getting blood out of a stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) The problem you've got is the hyperbole. TfL isn't perfect, sure. There may be the odd better system out there. It may have been better at some point in the past, sure. Make someone user the same service day in and day out for years and they're going to be inconvenienced out frustrated by it sometimes. But you said it's shit, which is just clearly false when by any measure it's clearly the best in Britain and among the best in the world. It isn't perfect, but surely the only fair thing to judge it by is public transport elsewhere, and it's a very small number of places that have anything as good. Edited September 12, 2020 by Davkaus 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: The problem you've got is the hyperbole. TfL isn't perfect, sure. There may be the odd better system out there. It may have been better at some point in the past, sure. Make someone user the same service day in and day out for years and they're going to be inconvenienced out frustrated by it sometimes. But you said it's shit, which is just clearly false when by any make it's clearly the best in Britain and among the best in the world. It isn't perfect, bit surely the only fair thing to judge it by is public transport elsewhere, and it's a very small number of places that have anything as good. It's also interesting that Dem rated Paris as shit, it's pretty much on a par with London, of the places I've visited, I rate it second to London Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Davkaus said: The problem you've got is the hyperbole. TfL isn't perfect, sure. There may be the odd better system out there. It may have been better at some point in the past, sure. Make someone user the same service day in and day out for years and they're going to be inconvenienced out frustrated by it sometimes. But you said it's shit, which is just clearly false when by any measure it's clearly the best in Britain and among the best in the world. It isn't perfect, but surely the only fair thing to judge it by is public transport elsewhere, and it's a very small number of places that have anything as good. I think its shit for the reasons highlighted. I been using it many many years not just day trips or breaks to london. Ive seen hows its got worse and worse over the years. If fares got up you woukd think the service would improve but it isnt its getting worse. Thats why its shit in my opinion. Its not clearly false its a matter of opinion if you think the service is shit or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 hours ago, bickster said: It's also interesting that Dem rated Paris as shit, it's pretty much on a par with London, of the places I've visited, I rate it second to London I dont live in paris so i dont know how it works daily. But went twice and the trains were suspended and absolutely filthy both times. I can only base my experince on two visits. Only people that use it day in and day out van day for sure how good or shit the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Demitri_C said: I dont live in paris so i dont know how it works daily. But went twice and the trains were suspended and absolutely filthy both times. I can only base my experince on two visits. Only people that use it day in and day out van day for sure how good or shit the service. It's no different to London in that respect. My daughter lived there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 It's like football fans protesting when their team is 4th in the league. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Apparently have to have lived in London to have a valid opinion, so as someone who lived there for three years, I can safely say that it was excellent and I miss it. It was by no means perfect but what service is? Yes, there’s overcrowding; my journey to work was uncomfortable and sometimes a bit of a lottery but I’d always get there. Yes, trains would be cancelled but the frequency of this happening is being greatly exaggerated. There’s probably stats for it somewhere but I’d be surprised if it was as high as 1%. To call it ‘shit’ is, as pointed out, hyperbole. It’s an opinion but it’s not really a valid one as it’s demonstrably untrue. Now I live elsewhere (with really shit public transport) I appreciate even more how brilliant it was. I miss not ever having to give much thought to how I was going to get anywhere. Just hop on the tube - sorted. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 The Paris underground is pretty grim (though I haven’t been for a few years). The tickets are cheap and not enforced so in winter the homeless live in some of the carriages. It’s not unusual to find human waste and the smell can be pretty horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 I went to Paris with the wife about 15 years ago and found everywhere incredibly intimidating. The underground, the streets, the markets, everywhere. We only went for the weekend and didn’t fly home until about 8 on the evening but we went to the airport and spent most of the last day there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, Genie said: I went to Paris with the wife about 15 years ago and found everywhere incredibly intimidating. The underground, the streets, the markets, everywhere. We only went for the weekend and didn’t fly home until about 8 on the evening but we went to the airport and spent most of the last day there. I went 12 years ago for my birthday with the ex and it was amazing. Helped by the fact it was about 35 degrees every day we were there over a long weekend. Absolutely loved it. Walked miles and miles, saw all the sights we could fi tin, used the underground and everything was perfect. Funny how you can have different experiences in the same place isn't it? What did you find intimidating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mozzavfc Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Genie said: I went to Paris with the wife about 15 years ago and found everywhere incredibly intimidating. The underground, the streets, the markets, everywhere. We only went for the weekend and didn’t fly home until about 8 on the evening but we went to the airport and spent most of the last day there. Sounds like you had Paris syndrome https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Xela said: I went 12 years ago for my birthday with the ex and it was amazing. Helped by the fact it was about 35 degrees every day we were there over a long weekend. Absolutely loved it. Walked miles and miles, saw all the sights we could fi tin, used the underground and everything was perfect. Funny how you can have different experiences in the same place isn't it? What did you find intimidating? The trains were great and very impressive in terms of pricing and frequency. There seemed to be an awful lot of large gangs in most places. On the entrances and exits to the underground. On the streets too and around the tourist sites. I was on edge a lot of the time concerned about being pick pocketed or mugged. It was actually about 18/19 years ago so maybe being about 19 myself might mean I was a bit of a wuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Genie said: I went to Paris with the wife about 15 years ago and found everywhere incredibly intimidating. The underground, the streets, the markets, everywhere. We only went for the weekend and didn’t fly home until about 8 on the evening but we went to the airport and spent most of the last day there. One of the greatest cities on earth. Seriously, I'd love to live ther. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, Genie said: I went to Paris with the wife about 15 years ago and found everywhere incredibly intimidating. The underground, the streets, the markets, everywhere. We only went for the weekend and didn’t fly home until about 8 on the evening but we went to the airport and spent most of the last day there. Yeah me and the missus have said we’ll never go back, the locals were arseholes and it just didn’t feel comfortable anywhere we went. Which is a shame as it’s a beautiful city. And the subway was great, just like London 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 12, 2020 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2020 The thing with Parisians is... they are our cockneys. Everyone else hates them too 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 What the **** has any of this got to do with the economic impact of Covid? Dem does it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Davkaus said: What the **** has any of this got to do with the economic impact of Covid? Dem does it again It wouldnt be villatalk if you didnt disagree with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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