villalad21 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) If Dortmund got him they very likely would be playing him every game. They are insanely brave with youngsters and there is lots to learn from their model. Even if they aren't at the optimal level yet they are prepared to take the short term pain for long term gain. With us I feel like he only got minutes because we already are safe and nothing to play for. Edited May 21, 2021 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2021 Is there a precedent at Villa for bringing a 17 year old into the first team and giving him game time? I suppose Ramsey got a fair bit of time this season, that is surely the indicator as to how we'll use CC - the powers that be must think he's ready for it. It makes a nice change that we don't just send them on loan to Grimsby - and maybe this is the owners' plan in action - and we'll see one or two youngsters integrated every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Is there a precedent at Villa for bringing a 17 year old into the first team and giving him game time? I suppose Ramsey got a fair bit of time this season, that is surely the indicator as to how we'll use CC - the powers that be must think he's ready for it. It makes a nice change that we don't just send them on loan to Grimsby - and maybe this is the owners' plan in action - and we'll see one or two youngsters integrated every season. I don't think integration necessarily means that they are first team players now though. I would hope we bring in a strong DCM (Bissouma or equivalent) and a "10" or LW, depending where they want to play Jack. If we do this, I would sell Nakamba (I think he will have value to, say, a newly promoted team), which would leave us with, let's say, Bissouma at 6; SJM, Sanson and Luiz at 8 (with Luiz able to cover 6 and SJM and Sanson able to push to 10 or play 2 x 8); and Jack (or new guy if Jack stays at LW) as a 10. I would then want to see Ramsey go out on loan to the Championship and get 30 + starts and see if he really he has it in him to push on and become a top half PL player. A bit like Davis, I don't think we will get to understand this from first team cameos/occasional starts. Chuk might find himself playing U-23s next season and covering the first team bench with a loan the following season (when he will only be 19) to the Championship hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Not many 17/18 year olds become starters in this league. From the top of my head I can think of Milner, Sterling, Owen, Rooney? All obviously exceptional talents. Any others ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, barry'sboots said: I don't think integration necessarily means that they are first team players now though. I would hope we bring in a strong DCM (Bissouma or equivalent) and a "10" or LW, depending where they want to play Jack. If we do this, I would sell Nakamba (I think he will have value to, say, a newly promoted team), which would leave us with, let's say, Bissouma at 6; SJM, Sanson and Luiz at 8 (with Luiz able to cover 6 and SJM and Sanson able to push to 10 or play 2 x 8); and Jack (or new guy if Jack stays at LW) as a 10. I would then want to see Ramsey go out on loan to the Championship and get 30 + starts and see if he really he has it in him to push on and become a top half PL player. A bit like Davis, I don't think we will get to understand this from first team cameos/occasional starts. Chuk might find himself playing U-23s next season and covering the first team bench with a loan the following season (when he will only be 19) to the Championship hopefully. They bring a lot of energy though - Smith's used Ramsey at crucial moments in games this season and appears to believe he is a first team player already. No idea on CC and all the hype might just be that, but I get the feeling if we don't give him game time he'll go somewhere like Dortmund that will. In other words, he presents a bit of a problem to us if the plan is to send the kids on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnbull Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, sidcow said: I'll load em, you fire them! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not many 17/18 year olds become starters in this league. From the top of my head I can think of Milner, Sterling, Owen, Rooney? All obviously exceptional talents. Any others ? Greenwood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry'sboots Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Just now, Jareth said: They bring a lot of energy though - Smith's used Ramsey at crucial moments in games this season and appears to believe he is a first team player already. He has at times. At other times he has looked a little lost. I think it would be great for him to get a run of games starting and I am hoping that the business we do in the summer means that he is unlikely to get that at Villa next year. 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: No idea on CC and all the hype might just be that, but I get the feeling if we don't give him game time he'll go somewhere like Dortmund that will. In other words, he presents a bit of a problem to us if the plan is to send the kids on loan. Agreed. He has two years remaining on his contract and I really hope we can come up with the optimal plan that works for his development and in which he is happy to participate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 9 hours ago, KentVillan said: Interracial lookalikes is a thing. I once saw a white woman in London who looked just like Kim Jong Un. I do see the resemblance @Keyblade and I will die on this hill with you. Hopefully he will be a similarly good player, but with a better injury record. I get this all the time my kids are mixed race people always say they look like their mother despite having my nose my eyes and affro hair, very few can see past colour when it comes to resemblance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Hopefully he shows loyalty to the club thata given him the opportunity to shine. The way our youngsters are devloping we have one of the best in the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steero113 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not many 17/18 year olds become starters in this league. From the top of my head I can think of Milner, Sterling, Owen, Rooney? All obviously exceptional talents. Any others ? Fabregas, Rodwell, Wilshere, Ronaldo come to mind. Again, all big talents (except Rodwell ofc... wtf happened there) Edited May 21, 2021 by Steero113 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Gareth Barry was playing semi regularly for us at 17. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MentalM Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 With the plan for the academy and Purslows comments early this season I am 100% sure its a plan. I except the likes of Chuk, JPB, Kesler and Barry to get gametime next season. Ramsey will probably go out on loan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Steero113 said: Again, all big talents (except Rodwell ofc... wtf happened there) Watch the first season of Sunderland 'Til I Die and all will be revealed... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not many 17/18 year olds become starters in this league. From the top of my head I can think of Milner, Sterling, Owen, Rooney? All obviously exceptional talents. Any others ? Gareth Barry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 50 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Hopefully he shows loyalty to the club thata given him the opportunity to shine. The way our youngsters are devloping we have one of the best in the country He did leave Northampton already 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 21, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted May 21, 2021 Put the kids in the cup games - that'll keep them happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich192 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I really want to win a cup, so I don’t agree with that proposal to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Not many 17/18 year olds become starters in this league. From the top of my head I can think of Milner, Sterling, Owen, Rooney? All obviously exceptional talents. Any others ? G Barry, Jack, ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, hippo said: G Barry, Jack, ? Jack was nearly 19 when he made his debut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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