Carney Chukwuemeka

[abdulaziz1]

40 minutes ago, Killeen30 said:

If he’s as good as the hype then he’ll move somewhere before long.

Grealish took more than 6 years to make his move, including relegation. Totally different situation. If we were more stable, we would have benefited more out of Grealish but we were a bit late compared to his. 

[The Fun Factory]

1 hour ago, KentVillan said:

I hope not - unlike Grealish, I think our progress as a club can keep pace with his as a player.

No resistance is futile. If you are resigned to it now it won't hurt as much when they leave.

[Vive_La_Villa]

1 hour ago, Killeen30 said:

If he’s as good as the hype then he’ll move somewhere before long.

Probably depends how marketable he is. City only payed 100m for him for commercial reasons after the World Cup made him England’s favourite player. They didn’t need him ability wise. 

[barry'sboots]

2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Probably depends how marketable he is. City only payed 100m for him for commercial reasons after the World Cup made him England’s favourite player. They didn’t need him ability wise. 

I think they did need Jack.  All of their players are quite samey but Jack brings something different.  He is the one that can unlock a defence with a dribble and can carry the ball in a way that none of the others do.  They maybe didn't need him in the PL but I think he gives them something extra in the big CL games.

[Vive_La_Villa]

1 minute ago, barry'sboots said:

I think they did need Jack.  All of their players are quite samey but Jack brings something different.  He is the one that can unlock a defence with a dribble and can carry the ball in a way that none of the others do.  They maybe didn't need him in the PL but I think he gives them something extra in the big CL games.

We’ll see mate. I don’t think he’s any better than what they have. 

[barry'sboots]

31 minutes ago, abdulaziz1 said:

Grealish took more than 6 years to make his move, including relegation. Totally different situation. If we were more stable, we would have benefited more out of Grealish but we were a bit late compared to his. 

I agree.  I think the bigger challenge with Chuk and his cohort is whether we can progress this youth whilst still progressing the team in the league.  If we are competing around the European spots and we have three or four to integrate from the youth then we could keep them together.  I am not in favour of them learning on our $ though - I think they need to prove themselves good enough to dislodge very good senior pros as Elliot has done at Liverpool and Mount and James have done at Chelski.  My fear is that we will leave obvious gaps so as to create a pathway and in so doing the team's performance/progression will dip. 

Personally, I would have shipped out JJ on loan this season (and possibly JPB and Carney next season) to get them 30+ games at the top of the Championship.  If they proved themselves then they dislodge a top senior pro and we look to exit/realise value.  As it stands, I see JJ as very much part of our midfield plan and I am not sure this progresses the team this season.

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

14 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Probably depends how marketable he is. City only payed 100m for him for commercial reasons after the World Cup made him England’s favourite player. They didn’t need him ability wise. 

Saw someone on CNN just today talking about what a piss take it was that Man City could splash out 100 mill on a player " they didn't actually need, given all the attacking talent they have " while other clubs are crumbling financially. So funny you mention this.

Edited September 1, 2021 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN

[Killeen30]

12 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Probably depends how marketable he is. City only payed 100m for him for commercial reasons after the World Cup made him England’s favourite player. They didn’t need him ability wise. 

They might not have needed him ability wise, but let’s not get away from the fact that Jack is a class act on the pitch. He certainly doesn’t look out of place in that City side, and with a few of their attacking players now at the age of 30 or slightly the other side of that i think it’s silly to say they only paid 100 million because he is marketable.

Anyway let’s move on. It’s not his thread.

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Saw someone on CNN just today talking about what a piss take it was that Man City could splash out 100 mill on a player they didn't actually need while other clubs are crumbling financially. So funny you mention this.

Personally think they missed a trick not going all out for Kane instead of Jack. Now that would have made City unstoppable.

[Vive_La_Villa]

Back on topic. Chuk is a baller.

[abdulaziz1]

26 minutes ago, barry'sboots said:

I agree.  I think the bigger challenge with Chuk and his cohort is whether we can progress this youth whilst still progressing the team in the league.  If we are competing around the European spots and we have three or four to integrate from the youth then we could keep them together.  I am not in favour of them learning on our $ though - I think they need to prove themselves good enough to dislodge very good senior pros as Elliot has done at Liverpool and Mount and James have done at Chelski.  My fear is that we will leave obvious gaps so as to create a pathway and in so doing the team's performance/progression will dip. 

Personally, I would have shipped out JJ on loan this season (and possibly JPB and Carney next season) to get them 30+ games at the top of the Championship.  If they proved themselves then they dislodge a top senior pro and we look to exit/realise value.  As it stands, I see JJ as very much part of our midfield plan and I am not sure this progresses the team this season.

I don’t think it’s gaps we choose not to fill for the sake of it. I think it’s gaps which we weren’t able to fill with the right quality. J.Ramsey looked more benefit than Barkley last season. Why should we get players to fill the squad if they were only little better? Possibly might not even be better? Now it’s the next stage of the rebuild. Better platform, better financially, building a squad which could look even better. If we had 14-16 players which are bought who are real qualities, then the rest of the squad are from those who we develop them (with high potential), I think we’d look really good. This what we’re look to be.
We’re ready to shift (Trez, El Ghazi, Nakamba, Guilbert, Hourihane, Wesley) if Carney, JPB, Archer, Barry, Raikhy, Kesler, A.Ramsey and Caleb stepped up. We might not even find different in quality, actually if it’s not better won’t be worse.

El Ghazi and Nakamba are still playing their part, but if JPB stepped up then he’d easily take El Ghazi place. 
 

Imagine how will we be financially and also as PR for all bright youngsters?

We don’t need all of those to be superstars, if we got 3 of them to fulfill their potential the couple of them been an ok players to fill the squad, that would help us improving without worry about the squad. We could only look at first team players. 
 

At the end of the window, I think we’ve done really well. We just need to be sure we don’t go into a relegation battle, and complete our build up. 

[MotoMkali]

1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Personally think they missed a trick not going all out for Kane instead of Jack. Now that would have made City unstoppable.

I'm sorry kane is so overrated. He bangs in goals but outside of that offers little else. Yes he led the league in assists but only got 2 after the first 10 or so games. He's also incredibly injury prone and has lost all his acceleration and athleticism before his 30s. Giving him a 5 year contract would be a terrible deal. He isn't van persie or Lewa. 

[StefanAVFC]

1 hour ago, MotoMkali said:

 He bangs in goals but outside of that offers little else. Yes he led the league in assists 

[Vive_La_Villa]

1 hour ago, MotoMkali said:

I'm sorry kane is so overrated. He bangs in goals but outside of that offers little else. Yes he led the league in assists but only got 2 after the first 10 or so games. He's also incredibly injury prone and has lost all his acceleration and athleticism before his 30s. Giving him a 5 year contract would be a terrible deal. He isn't van persie or Lewa. 

I disagree. But one for another topic.

[Mazrim]

3 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Back on topic. Chuk is a baller.

He's the Khan.

 

Chuka Khan, Chuka Khan... 

[MotoMkali]

33 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Ignoring the context. He definitely was playing much better than usual to start the season. But remember he got 4 assists in one game. And after teams caught on and he couldn't do shit, he was awful at the Euros as well. Although partly down to cocknose I'm sure. 

[skarroki]

Excellent article about him on The Athletic by Charlotte Harpur. Hope she starts writing more regularly for Villa now. 

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When Carney Chukwuemeka’s teacher taught him how to tumble in a gymnastics class at Northampton’s St James CE primary school, he promised her that he’d use this as his signature celebration when he scored for England one day.

On Saturday he made a big step on the road to achieving that goal as Dean Smith handed the 17-year-old his first Premier League start for Aston Villa. Having been fast-tracked into the first-team set-up at the back end of last season, it was just a matter of time before he started to clock up more minutes in the top flight.

With both John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey forced to isolate because of a COVID-19 related issue, there was a gaping hole in midfield for the home game against Brentford. To make matters worse, captain Tyrone Mings was ruled out with a cracked rib, adding to the injury list of Leon Bailey, Bertrand Traore, Morgan Sanson and Trezeguet. Smith explained after the match that they tried to reduce Mings’ pain by injection but were unable to do so and the 28-year-old will now be assessed by the England medical team. The manager revealed these last-minute changes resulted in some players coming into the stadium and not even knowing that they were going to start.

To put it mildly, the starting XI didn’t exactly fill Villa fans with confidence. However, as one door shuts, another opens, and the opportunity came for the star of Villa’s FA Youth Cup win to make his mark.

With the 6ft 1in teenager patrolling Villa Park’s centre circle in his electric red boots, it’s not only hard to miss Chukwuemeka but it’s also hard to envisage that less than 10 years ago he was learning to do a cartwheel in the primary school gymnasium.

The childlike image contrasts the mature demeanour he demonstrated in the 1-1 draw against Brentford, a trait which Northampton academy coach Liam Williams identified from when the midfielder was as young as 10.

“You often find, especially with the boys who are very good at sport at primary school, they tend to be very boisterous and a little bit arrogant but Carney wasn’t like that,” says Williams.

“He wasn’t a ranter or shouter. He was always very calm when he talked on the pitch: even when we were getting beat, he never got stressed out. He would try to influence the game with his own performance. He seemed to have that ability to be laid-back but also maintain that drive.

“From a footballing point of view, he was good but during his time at Northampton, I’d say there were better players than him. What really set Carney apart was his mentality. We always said he had a killer instinct, he was just so driven to win games of football for his team, always so focused in that sense. I’ve still never seen that come across so strongly in such a young person.”

Smith partnered the teenager with 36-year-old Ashley Young in central midfield and, without stalwarts McGinn and Mings, one may have feared that Chukwuemeka would feel somewhat overwhelmed staring into a full Holte End for the first time. Although there were large chunks of the match which passed him by, he did not look out of place and when he did get on the ball there were some promising signs.

Early in the game, the Under-18 England international was vigilant, looking over his left shoulder to keep an eye on his opposite number Vitaly Janelt. His first touch was neat and he offered good hold-up play, at times dropping deeper to link up with Matt Targett but also acting as the fulcrum to facilitate switching the ball from right to left and vice versa. More of this, please.

What was most notable is Chukwuemeka’s ability to transition the ball from defence to attack. His passing accuracy in the opposition’s half was the highest of any player from either team who featured for at least 30 minutes. Of his 17 passes, 13 were successful and nine were forward, demonstrating his capacity to work the ball up the pitch into dangerous areas.

There were occasions when he took one too many touches, losing possession six times, but he also showed composure. Midway inside the first half, seeing Brentford’s Christian Norgaard — a Euro 2020 semi-finalist 10 years his senior — coming in from the side, he had the awareness to roll the ball across his body while bodychecking his opponent in the process.

Indeed, so confidently fluid is his movement that Chukwuemeka used to be called “Yaya” by the Northampton coaches as a nod to the former Manchester City midfielder.

Having only registered cameo performances in Villa’s final games against Tottenham and Chelsea last season, the academy graduate will have found these 63 minutes extremely valuable. He left the pitch to a standing ovation and, knowing his mindset, he’ll want more of that adulation. Now, the challenge is to keep his spot.

When asked what the 17-year-old needs to do to secure a regular starting place, Smith said: “He just needs to keep developing as he is and keep learning from the likes of Ashley Young. We’ve got high hopes for him, he’s a really calm and collected lad.”

So, a wise head on young shoulders, who, if things go his way, could be throwing in a couple of celebratory somersaults in the not too distant future.

https://theathletic.com/2795731/2021/08/29/nobody-passed-better-than-carney-chukwuemeka-in-the-opposition-half-aston-villa-have-a-gem-on-their-hands?source=user-shared-article

[IrishVilla10]

13 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

I'm sorry kane is so overrated. He bangs in goals but outside of that offers little else. Yes he led the league in assists but only got 2 after the first 10 or so games. He's also incredibly injury prone and has lost all his acceleration and athleticism before his 30s. Giving him a 5 year contract would be a terrible deal. He isn't van persie or Lewa. 

It’s mind blowing that people still have this opinion. 33 goals and 17 assists in all comps last season. Season after season he does it 

[Vive_La_Villa]

7 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said:

It’s mind blowing that people still have this opinion. 33 goals and 17 assists in all comps last season. Season after season he does it 

It’s almost become a cliche. 

[osmark86]

14 hours ago, MotoMkali said:

I'm sorry kane is so overrated. He bangs in goals but outside of that offers little else. Yes he led the league in assists but only got 2 after the first 10 or so games. He's also incredibly injury prone and has lost all his acceleration and athleticism before his 30s. Giving him a 5 year contract would be a terrible deal. He isn't van persie or Lewa.