tomav84 Posted September 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mic09 said: I don't understand "it's not your money so why worry" argument. People care about finances of their club because if we don't, we end paying too much in fees and salaries. £5 million too much and 15k a week too much X 4/5 players and all of a sudden we are in financial trouble. Save that in fees and salaries and we can buy an additional £20m player on 60k a week every year. Not to mention things like ticket prices going up or burgers costing £1 extra. It's an important issue so I really don't understand why people take it so lightly. i'd happily pay an extra fiver for a ticket and an extra quid for a pie/beer if we have top quality players wearing AVFC shirts 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenjiOgiwara Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 We obviously need a winger, but I hope we are considering defensive reinforcements as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, RicRic said: Our opinions differ ...it will be harder to get the kind of goals he was scoring all day long last season in the championship but i still feel benrahma will still be able to rip up the flanks and deliver he will face a tough time every now and then but i have faith in him to do so. Watkins movement and positioning is great and im not saying hes not a good player but for that price and not played at this level is outrageous! However he is better than wesley imo if that makes you feel like im targeting the kid a bit too much. Scoring in this league is much harder and the money shouldn’t be splashed in that manner thats the point im making I appreciate we all have different opinions and don't think you're targeting him at all. My point was simply that your two main criticisms of having never played in the PL and being fleeced by Brentford would also apply to Benrahma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, KenjiOgiwara said: We obviously need a winger, but I hope we are considering defensive reinforcements as well. Smiths almsot spent half reported.budget on potential nothing for the now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubbs Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, tomav84 said: i'd happily pay an extra fiver for a ticket and an extra quid for a pie/beer if we have top quality players wearing AVFC shirts Its gonna take a serious amount of pies to pay this one off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicRic Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Paulie said: Its already been disclosed that we have ~100m budget for transfers, so if you are operating under those constraints then there is no difference between a 22m and 28m signing to our financial bottom line, right? It is when you are not done buying players in the transfer window .. it is still open and we need players ... if our ambition is to keep saying it will be a great window if we get Cash, Watkins and buendia (like i keep seeing on here) then blimey we are really destined for trouble and need to understand we need a lot more just to push further up but im still keeping the faith(the little bit i have left) for us to do something more before it ends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted September 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 Ultimately, it doesn’t matter if you’re worried about the money being spent or not. We as fans have no control whatsoever on transfers... so it’ll happen whether we like it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole86 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, RicRic said: Not at all your not getting old and that is close to the top player bracket Bruno Fernandes was not that far off its an insane amount of money and its a concern because it reduces our spending capacity in other areas thats why im more annoyed. Bruno Fernandes cost £47m with a further potential £20m in add ons, plus 10% of any resale fee. Quite far off from the reported £28m potentially rising to £33m we are buying Watkins for 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KMitch Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) My two cents: Wage demands are the most important part of our transfer dealings. Based on reports which came out about our front office team's transfer dealings from last year, we would not pay anyone but Jack above a certain weekly salary and everyone had a mandated relegation wage drop clause. Until we've established ourselves as a team outside of the relegation fight every season, we'll continue to recruit with this policy in mind, with the long term security more valuable than the short term needs. Other clubs around us (Newcastle, Crystal Palace, West Ham, Leeds, etc.) may not have this same policy in place and will be in a much more perilous financial situation, in the event that they are relegated. That said, they will beat us to some signings by offering better contracts (like Newcastle with Wilson), but we'll have a much stronger balance sheet in the long term. If we recruit well over the next few years and become an established mid-table side, we may start offering higher wages/become more adventurous with our recruiting, but will not do it in the short term. This means that we'll probably pay a bit more for some of our targets, in terms of transfer fees, but will be protected on the wage bill side. Gone are the days of paying 5 year massive contracts for players who aren't good enough. Edited September 8, 2020 by KMitch 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Silvers Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, holteend1982 said: I thought £22 million would be a fair price for Watkins but I'm past caring now, if he scores 15+ goals and we stay up it'll all be worth it. Still need 2 good wingers though and then it will have been a decent window! Agree, 22, 28 doesn't matter anymore, 6m difference, 6m is the new thrupence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Paulie said: Its already been disclosed that we have ~100m budget for transfers, so if you are operating under those constraints then there is no difference between a 22m and 28m signing to our financial bottom line, right? Isn't it true that if it's 28m rather than 22m (an extra 6m) and we spend an extra 6m on additional 4 players we lose out of signing an extra player in the budget we have? Don't get me wrong, I think Watkins for this money could be good, but all I'm saying is prices are important to discuss because it affects everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villan501 Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 So far this is an awful window. Last seasom newly promoted was going to be tough. If this is club showing us were looking to push on then sorry th club is deluded. Smith has zero clue on tactics and team selection and lange and purslow are complete jokers who couldnt negotiate if there lives depend on it. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 has anyone seen RicRic and rayk in the same room? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 If he's having his medical today/early tomorrow...I think you know what that means! DELPHINHO STRIKES AGAIN 1 1 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Delphinho123 Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, villan501 said: So far this is an awful window. Last seasom newly promoted was going to be tough. If this is club showing us were looking to push on then sorry th club is deluded. Smith has zero clue on tactics and team selection and lange and purslow are complete jokers who couldnt negotiate if there lives depend on it. *season *we're *the *Lange *Purslow *couldn't *their 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 56 minutes ago, Villarocker said: That isn't related to us though because that average takes into account the massive wages the top 7 or 8 clubs, plus the London hangers-on, pay their players. For example, if Burnley pay their players an average of £30,000 per week and Man City pay theirs and average of £100,000 per week, the average across the two clubs is £65,000 per week. So, whilst the top teams may average about £100k per week between them, the rest will average around £30,000 per week etc. We are in that bottom tier right now so we shouldn't be paying many players more than £30k per week really. Well it's a valuable statistic in my opinion as it's first team squad members especially which is what we are looking to buy. The wages table and the table usually have a good correlation apart from some outstanding outliers. We had an average of £25k for example last season which was 18th, we finished one place higher. Sheff Utd were amazing, average £9k and they did what they did. The average across all squad members last season was slightly over £50k a week. So to buy a proven premier league player who will improve us (so mid table let's say) we'd have to be paying that average which is twice our average across the squad currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Okonokos Posted September 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, villan501 said: So far this is an awful window. Last seasom newly promoted was going to be tough. If this is club showing us were looking to push on then sorry th club is deluded. Smith has zero clue on tactics and team selection and lange and purslow are complete jokers who couldnt negotiate if there lives depend on it. What a ridiculous, pathetic and embarrassing thing to say. So we just dramatically improved defensively post lockdown magically. It was nothing to do with Smith using the time to improve himself as a coach and to improve our team and tactics? How are Lange and Purslow jokers? How exactly? Some people really want to be careful what they wish for. This is the best the club has been run for possibly 2 decades. Edited September 8, 2020 by Okonokos 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Okonokos said: What a ridiculous, pathetic and embarrassing thing to say. So we just dramatically improved defensively post lockdown magically. It was nothing to do with Smith using the time to improve himself as a coach and to improve out team and tactics? How are Lange and Purslow jokers? How exactly? Some people really want to be careful what they wish for. This is the best the club has been run for possibly 2 decades. Totally agree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonokos Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Delphinho123 said: Totally agree. Got no likes left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted September 8, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted September 8, 2020 Just now, Okonokos said: What a ridiculous, pathetic and embarrassing thing to say. So we just dramatically improved defensively post lockdown magically. It was nothing to do with Smith using the time to improve himself as a coach and to improve out team and tactics? How are Lange and Purslow jokers? How exactly? Some people really want to be careful what they wish for. This is the best the club has been run for possibly 2 decades. Easily the best it's been run since we last won the league. Herbert was a clearing in the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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