VillaChris Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Villarocker said: Now, that makes me f**king mad. We are either looking at batshit crazy lazy journalism or, our manager wants a team full of Brentford players... Rico Henry Ezra Konsa John Swift Said Benrahma Diego Jota Olly Watkins It is seriously taking the piss if true that we ars after who the reports say we're after. DS has always liked signing old players of his. Resigned a few after loan spells at Walsall then at Brentford he quickly got in Rico and Romaine Sawyers. Even here he's already got in Jota and Konsa. One of the quirks of his managerial style. Can see the pros and cons of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 No point getting upset about salaries. The teams that pay the higher ones tend to get the players they want and do better. The league mostly runs in order of wage bills. If you think a player isn’t worth the salary quoted, that probably tells you the player isn’t good enough for us - if we want to be in the top half of the table consistently, we probably need to double our wage bill at least. The trick is making sure you get value for money, not that you get cheap hits. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: No point getting upset about salaries. The teams that pay the higher ones tend to get the players they want and do better. The league mostly runs in order of wage bills. If you think a player isn’t worth the salary quoted, that probably tells you the player isn’t good enough for us - if we want to be in the top half of the table consistently, we probably need to double our wage bill at least. The trick is making sure you get value for money, not that you get cheap hits. in that case, every one gets a pay raise. Including you henri Lansbury Edited August 29, 2020 by CarryOnVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Just now, VillaChris said: DS has always liked signing old players of his. Resigned a few after loan spells at Walsall then at Brentford he quickly got in Rico and Romaine Sawyers. Even here he's already got in Jota and Konsa. One of the quirks of his managerial style. Can see the pros and cons of it. Clough was the same, and with the same pros and cons. Lots of managers do it - Jose with Matic, Sarri with Jorginho, Van Gaal with De Boer... Dean is just still climbing the ladder so the players he is doing it with aren’t the biggest names. In his next job when he’s looking to sign Grealish and Douglas Luiz etc that will be the logical culmination but let’s not worry about that yet 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spray Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, flashingqwerty said: 70k pw for Watkins? Jesus wept! He's currently on £15k. The come up is real. Lansbury's on £40k-a-week to not play. I believe those figures. Edited August 29, 2020 by Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 minute ago, CarryOnVilla said: in that case, every one gets a pay raise. Including you henri Lansbury Think you’ve missed the point. I mean I know you’re making a joke but making the joke shows you have possibly missed the point. Players who play well will get payrises, including when they move clubs. Players who play badly probably won’t. That’s how it works. As I said in my post it’s about ensuring you sign the right players, not worrying if you’re paying them too much - by definition if they are the right players you won’t be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Last time he played for Ancelotti maybe? (That’s a question, don’t know if it is true). He’s done well for ancelloti- if he signs it’ll be the third time he’s signed him. I think he signed Allan for Napoli too so it be the second time he’s signed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryOnVilla Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Just now, Adam2003 said: Think you’ve missed the point. I mean I know you’re making a joke but making the joke shows you have possibly missed the point. Players who play well will get payrises, including when they move clubs. Players who play badly probably won’t. That’s how it works. As I said in my post it’s about ensuring you sign the right players, not worrying if you’re paying them too much - by definition if they are the right players you won’t be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted August 29, 2020 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spray said: The come up is real. 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 Pages and pages of this thread have been. We must make a signing, why aren’t we getting deals done, just pay the money! Now it’s all no way we pay that much wages, just walk away, that’s crazy money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spray Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 We will get Watkins because we'll be the only club dumb enough to pay those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 A handful of people talking about Cavani on Twitter has given me a laugh for the past half hour. Can you imagine? How ridiculous..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 If we are signing Watkins as the only striker this window, for a £25m fee and £70k / week salary you are taking a massive risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 48 minutes ago, Adam2003 said: Clough was the same, and with the same pros and cons. Lots of managers do it - Jose with Matic, Sarri with Jorginho, Van Gaal with De Boer... Dean is just still climbing the ladder so the players he is doing it with aren’t the biggest names. In his next job when he’s looking to sign Grealish and Douglas Luiz etc that will be the logical culmination but let’s not worry about that yet I do agree but it must make the scouting network, data analysts and DoF a bit crazy if DS only wants to sign players he’s either managed or seen play against him from his old club. I mean I think Targett played for Fulham on loan when Brentford lost the playoff final back in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayk Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: If we are signing Watkins as the only striker this window, for a £25m fee and £70k / week salary you are taking a massive risk. I hear you, I’d prefer to sign Edouard.....and I’m also hoping that the £25m and £70k a week are performance related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 If we had gone down . . . . . . we would still have been able to sign John Swift and Matty Cash. Would these players improve the first team? Reasonable might say yes, reasonable people might say no. Problem is we will only actually get better when we sign players that no-one can possibly argue about. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: If we are signing Watkins as the only striker this window, for a £25m fee and £70k / week salary you are taking a massive risk. Huge risk. The sensible among us know and appreciate that every signing is a risk but it's important to evaluate the potential role the signing will play. I'm not confident about any of our current strikers having a successful season and presumably neither do the club. So if we only sign Watkins is a huge risk. Don't really care about those figures quoted, I tend not to take any notice as the money in the game has been stupid for so many years now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, rayk said: I do agree but it must make the scouting network, data analysts and DoF a bit crazy if DS only wants to sign players he’s either managed or seen play against him from his old club. I mean I think Targett played for Fulham on loan when Brentford lost the playoff final back in 2018. I think that last point is stretching it - 90% of the players in the PL and Championship have probably played against Smith at this point. We also don’t know how much of it is just lazy journalism (linked to a player because he played for Smith; we now talk about how Smith wants players who played for him). We can wait and see if we end up with the whole Brentford team here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adam2003 Posted August 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Problem is we will only actually get better when we sign players that no-one can possibly argue about Villa fans would argue about Lionel Messi let’s face it. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul514 Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, jacketspuds said: If we are signing Watkins as the only striker this window, for a £25m fee and £70k / week salary you are taking a massive risk. I get a tiny niggling feeling we are going to go for all the lesser players.... Eduoard - Watkins Aarons - Cash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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