Summer Transfers Window 2020

[TRO]

25 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

I'm not saying teams don't play with defensive midfielders anymore, just that the "destroyer" role has been phased out for a while. Would you class Busquets as a "destroyer"? Or Thiago Alcantara, Casemiro, De Jong etc? Most of these players are actually quite slight, but they know where to be on the pitch and intercept danger before it materializes. That's where the modern game is now.

I agree, totally.....but physicality is still there in stealthier form.....watch Man City and Liverpool mix it, watch Man U use it.....Wolves are no slouches at a bit of contact......hey we was better after the break, hence our fight back.

but the terminology is for folk to choose.....If someone said to me a "Destroyer" or  as Ron Atkinson used to call them " The insurance man" ....I would know what they meant.

If someone said a "wing half" or an "inside forward", I would relate it to modern day.....we still play with them, just used slightly different and called modern names of formation......I sometimes call creative midfielders " Schemers" its just words....when you are getting on like me, its par for the course.....I genuinely do try to think modern, but the past will never leave me.

The days of Norman Hunter, Tommy Smith and Ron Harris, have long gone.....but we still have players whose job is to "create" and "stop".....rules of the game don't allow those players mentioned to exist with their stock in trade......but "reds" are still dished out for over the top zealous challenges, that will never disappear.

Stopping the opposition, will equally not disappear, no matter how we dress it up.....and we need players suited to that crucial role.

We also have to recognise, we can sign such players and they are not good enough, so we have to go again and get ones that are good enough......but it is simply, no good getting a run of the mill midfielder to improvise and asking them to do such an important and specialist job....that is the point I am trying to make..i.e stick Lansbury or Hourihane there and we have trouble.

Edited August 13, 2020 by TRO

[Kingman]

4 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

I think buying players from Scandinavia has it’s benefits, the players are cheap and bargains can be found there 

 

[rayk]

6 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

I think buying players from Scandinavia has it’s benefits, the players are cheap and bargains can be found there 

The Scandinavian market has been overlooked over the years as the Spanish, Portuguese markets have become more popular. I agree that there are good players and value to be found there.

[sir_gary_cahill]

6 minutes ago, Kingman said:

 

He looks amazing, first I’ve heard of him

[TRO]

58 minutes ago, KMitch said:

I think this whole idea of a "Brick Shithouse" DM is a bit outdated...  None of the top teams in the world have one right now.  They're all technical midfielders who can position and pass well.

I think it has been misquoted.....even I understood what the poster meant.

Yes, in the description made, it is outdated.......but the art of stopping the opponent isn't out dated, and that I think is what was meant....just the "means" has altered

Edited August 13, 2020 by TRO

[Villarocker]

35 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

I don't think its possible to have ever played football manager in the last 10 years and not know who he is

I actually work for a company that distributes video games and look after publishers such as Sega, EA and Activision Blizzard but I don't play the games. 

[MaVilla]

11 minutes ago, Kingman said:

 

 

to be brutally honest, most of this is just extremely poor finishing, and the odd decent save.

i can imagine this is how we fell for Nyland.

[rayk]

19 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Wonder what Copenhagen would want for their keeper?.. 

Dont know anything about about him, Think it's Johnstone or something similar, Has to be One of the best keeper performances I've seen when they played Utd this week,

I remember Jores Okore playing a blinder for FC Nordsjælland against Chelsea in the Champions League as a 19/20 year old....

[Keyblade]

24 minutes ago, rayk said:

Genuine question here, if according to some posters on here the traditional enforcer type of DCM is outdated would those same posters think our MF would be overrun if our MF three were Luiz, Jack and SJM (Jack being more advanced Luiz and SJM more defensive)?

I don't believe this, no. As long as Jack and John are disciplined in their roles. 

[GingerCollins29]

1 hour ago, maqroll said:

Rashica announcement imminent

Hope youre right!

[JAMAICAN-VILLAN]

1 hour ago, maqroll said:

Rashica announcement imminent

[Rightdm00]

9 minutes ago, rayk said:

Genuine question here, if according to some posters on here the traditional enforcer type of DCM is outdated would those same posters think our MF would be overrun if our MF three were Luiz, Jack and SJM (Jack being more advanced Luiz and SJM more defensive)?

Of course it would. Jack is wasted in a midfield 3 of a 4-3-3. The ideal spot for Jack is receiving the ball out wide against an isolated, panicking FB or CB. Add an overlapping Targett and that defender might as well lay down because he has no chance stopping Jack. 

Why do people want to put Jack in the middle where he will have to break down 2-3 opponents everytime he receives the ball. 

Jack needs the freedom to roam. Probing the opposition whether it's center, left or right. Putting him in the middle constrains him and foist a level of defensive work our key creator shouldn't have to shoulder. 

You want to upgrade the midfield find someone to replace hourihane in our middle 3. Against bottom half teams he's a fine option but he is invisible against tougher competition. 

[Follyfoot]

9 minutes ago, GingerCollins29 said:

Hope youre right!

Who what where when

[rayk]

12 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

I don't believe this, no. As long as Jack and John are disciplined in their roles. 

I don’t either but still like the thought of a tall / imposing DCM but one who can play. Obviously Rodri is the gold standard but it’s why I mentioned Billing earlier.

Sander Berge fits the brief too but we missed that one too.

Edited August 13, 2020 by rayk

[rayk]

2 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said:

Of course it would. Jack is wasted in a midfield 3 of a 4-3-3. The ideal spot for Jack is receiving the ball out wide against an isolated, panicking FB or CB. Add an overlapping Targett and that defender might as well lay down because he has no chance stopping Jack. 

Why do people want to put Jack in the middle where he will have to break down 2-3 opponents everytime he receives the ball. 

Jack needs the freedom to roam. Probing the opposition whether it's center, left or right. Putting him in the middle constrains him and foist a level of defensive work our key creator shouldn't have to shoulder. 

You want to upgrade the midfield find someone to replace hourihane in our middle 3. Against bottom half teams he's a fine option but he is invisible against tougher competition. 

So tell me why Jack himself thinks his best position is as an AM?

[Made In Aston]

1 hour ago, Zatman said:

And is a reason for that. He wasnt even Stoke 1st choice at the end of the season 

A fall from grace of Joe Hart-esque proportions. Keepers don't usually recover from that. 

[joshharris12]

[TRO]

2 hours ago, tomav84 said:

i'd be interested to see how roy keane would fare in the modern game. not saying he'd be shit, but i'd wager he wouldn't be playing for an elite side. the game's moved on.

per your highlighted point, i'd also say this is a strength of marvelous'. luiz is just a more complete player with better pass + shot, but i'd say we have a good enough CDM back up in nakamba

i doubt a new CDM is even on our shopping list

Intercepting the danger is nothing new, Stan Petrov, used to do that.

I don't think Nakamba is good enough in what I have seen, whether he improves, is another opinion.

I think you might be right a CDM might not be on our shopping list, but if we get that wrong and the season is started, we might have another season like last.

we conceded 67 goals and it wasn't all the back four at fault, for them all.

Edited August 13, 2020 by TRO

[Keyblade]

2 minutes ago, Rightdm00 said:

Of course it would. Jack is wasted in a midfield 3 of a 4-3-3. The ideal spot for Jack is receiving the ball out wide against an isolated, panicking FB or CB. Add an overlapping Targett and that defender might as well lay down because he has no chance stopping Jack. 

Why do people want to put Jack in the middle where he will have to break down 2-3 opponents everytime he receives the ball. 

Jack needs the freedom to roam. Probing the opposition whether it's center, left or right. Putting him in the middle constrains him and foist a level of defensive work our key creator shouldn't have to shoulder. 

You want to upgrade the midfield find someone to replace hourihane in our middle 3. Against bottom half teams he's a fine option but he is invisible against tougher competition. 

I wouldn't want Jack as a CM anyway even if that's where he sees himself. He needs to roam, I agree. But from the middle as an attacking midfielder. If you recall the 17/18 season where he really ascended towards the player he is today, he was wreaking havoc from the middle because we actually had 2 wide players who were a threat. He was the king of the "assist to the assist". Those little through balls inside the fullback to the either Adomah or Snodgrass were too deadly, and that's why they got 40 goals/assists between them. I would love to see that translated into the PL with quality wide players like Rashica for example. I loved him as a left winger last season and he got some good goals, but I much prefer him in the role I described above. Besides I think it's better for the team anyway.

[TRO]

2 minutes ago, rayk said:

So tell me why Jack himself thinks his best position is as an AM?

probably because, you see more ball in the middle and influence the game more.....wingers can be hit and miss and jack does not want to be seen as a hit and miss player, why should he?