villarule123 Posted June 24, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted June 24, 2013 He has a dodgy knee and will probably never reach his previous levels of domination ever again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) He has never really dominated the whole tennis scene though has he? It's only the French where he does well. Federer dominated from 2003-2009, a few others were just getting a few grand slams here and there in that period. Edited June 24, 2013 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 He has had knee problems for as long as I can remember. I always felt it was due to his bulk at such a young age. It wasn't his natural shape and I think he has paid the price. He looks physically different now than those first 3-4 years on the scene. There is also the problem with how he plays the game. A lot of wear and tear. He'll get a few more grand slams but unlike Federer I think he'll reach a point where he physically can't go on rather than just getting old and having other commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Glad to see the annoying hacker Nadal out, hopefully the other annoying hacker (Murray) loses soon and R Fed romps to another Wimbledon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Djokovic will win it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Hacker? Is the tennis equivalent of a team that plays the long ball, not the right way to play etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 You are being a bit harsh there, Nadal has a career grand slam which is something only three players (Agassi, Federer & Nadal) have achieved during the open era. He is one of only two players alongside Agassi to achieve the golden slam (all four grand slam titles and Olympic gold) He got to seven out of the eight grand slam finals between the French in 2010 and the French in 2012, winning four and losing three. He has excelled in a very strong era for mens singles tennis and I think he can fairly be called an all time great. People have been saying for years he is going to suffer with injuries though, he is built like middleweight boxer rather than a tennis player which might mean he is carrying a bit too much weight for his joints to take considering what he asks them to do every time he plays given his all action style where he chases every single ball down. Compare Nadal to someone like Federer who seemingly never gets injured and defies age because he is so much more able to let the ball do the work rather than his body and I don't think you can argue he is the best ever but compare Nadal to pretty much anybody else and he is up there. He can certainly be spoken of in the same breath as people like Borg, McEnroe, Connors & Agassi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 I just want to clarify it is not me saying Nadal is a 'hacker'? I actually admire Nadal's all action physical game. Djokovic will win it.. I think so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Quite clearly he was injured. It takes something away from the tournament Nadal being knocked out so early on. My feeling is Djokovic will win it but Murray on grass is a big threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nadal is paying the price for all of those performance enhancers he has taken over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Nadal is paying the price for all of those performance enhancers he has taken over the years. No hes got tendinitis in his knees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 . He can certainly be spoken of in the same breath as people like Borg, McEnroe, Connors & Agassi. I'd argue the 4 greatest tennis players of all time are from the current batch Federer , Nadal , Djokovic and Murray Harsh on the Sampras'ssss of the world but I don't beleive Sampras would have dominated if he were playing now against those 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Murray is nowhere near 'of all time' yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voinjama Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) . He can certainly be spoken of in the same breath as people like Borg, McEnroe, Connors & Agassi. I'd argue the 4 greatest tennis players of all time are from the current batch Federer , Nadal , Djokovic and Murray Harsh on the Sampras'ssss of the world but I don't beleive Sampras would have dominated if he were playing now against those 4 Murray has to achieve alot more before he can be put in Sampras' league. I do rate Murray highly though. Edited June 24, 2013 by Voinjama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 . He can certainly be spoken of in the same breath as people like Borg, McEnroe, Connors & Agassi. I'd argue the 4 greatest tennis players of all time are from the current batch Federer , Nadal , Djokovic and Murray Harsh on the Sampras'ssss of the world but I don't beleive Sampras would have dominated if he were playing now against those 4 I think its the greatest era ever in men's tennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Murray is nowhere near 'of all time' yet. He's got all the attributes It's difficult to call as such as record books will show Sampras with dozens of grand slams but I really don't think he was as good a player as Murray is .... The game moved on , in much the way most sports do ... Chances are 25 years from now we will be talking about a new batch of players being the best ever Puskas was without doubt the greatest footballer of his time but would a little fat chap achieve what he did in the game had he been around now ?? Edited June 24, 2013 by tonyh29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 .............but would a little fat chap achieve what he did in the game had he been around now ?? You were a footballer? ................. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Any other era Murray would have won a handful of grand slams, but you cant call him one of the greatest of all time. Not yet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted June 24, 2013 Moderator Share Posted June 24, 2013 I'm not buying this 'one of the greatest upsets ever'. If Nadal was fully fit then yes, absolutely, but the man was nowhere near fully fit. He was crocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted June 24, 2013 Share Posted June 24, 2013 Plenty of ladies on my twitter feed are upset over losing out on a bit of Rafa. So in that respect, perhaps it is an upset. More of a Roger man myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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